0: Good afternoon. Welcome to another CHBMP space. I would like you to join us. We are just getting settled. Please bear with us. 1: Hello, and welcome to another CHBMP space. Please give us a few minutes to get situated, and we will get started. Thank you so much to my cohost, protocol widow, for, getting the space started for us. I am sending cohost now. I hope you're able to get that. Miriam, I see you are already on cohost. How are you doing tonight? 2: Doing great. We're having another rainy storm right now, but seem to be doing real well relative to power and all those things. My dog's very unhappy at the moment, but then again, you know, that's his usual. 1: He's just jealous, isn't he? 2: Yeah. I think so. 0: Good afternoon, Miriam. Good afternoon, Deborah. How are you? 2: Doing well. How are you, 3: And the peanut gallery says hi too. 0: I was mute. How is everybody? 1: Doing good. Enjoying some, rare but wonderful rain up here in the High Desert today, and, it is nice. It cools it off considerably. 2: Yeah. That's 1 nice thing about the amount of rain we've been having. At least it's cooling things down. 3: Well, we're having a heat wave down here. So so you know? 0: And and Maria and I are with Deborah. It is really bad. I'll just say really bad. The chickens I don't have enough ice for the chickens. So 2: Aw. That's terrible. I mean, I guess, you know, I am sort of a Northerner compared to the 2 of you guys. So 0: Just a tad. You know? You're you you you are a Northerner, you know, your damn Yankee. 2: Yeah. Forget that border state stuff from the civil war. We're we're I'm a Yankee. I'm a Northerner. Hey. 3: Yeah. Watch that Yankee stuff there. 2: This this Kentuckian, I'll tell you what, I'm I'm I I don't know. I I guess it depends on, on where you where you sit on what part of the state, but, I'm kinda right in the middle. So I guess I can claim either. 0: Yeah. I used to get, harassed when I was in Tennessee, by my coworker who just thought it was hysterical to tell me that I I was a Yankee. And I was like, there are parts of Maryland where I am from that are below the Mason Dixon line. Don't give me that. 1: Exactly. 4: Of 2: of course, you know, Canadians and Alaskans say we're all Yankees, so there you go. 0: Well, Canada Canada is our hat. Oh, Maria. Mar Miriam. Did you remember to send the link to t bird? 2: Link? Let me see. I can't remember what I did yesterday. If I didn't, I will send it now. 0: Because I remember you saying I will send you a DM because she was like, 2: I never see my messages. Thank you. I will I don't honestly, I cannot remember if I even did it over the past couple days, so I'm gonna look. And if I don't see a DM, we will do it right this moment. 0: Okay. I meant to do this myself a little while ago, but I thought, well, Miriam's the 1 that said she would do it. So I'm gonna push her button. 2: Hey. Hey. Push my buttons right away because, you know, the short term is not what it used to be. 0: Yeah. And I've slept since yesterday, so I'm I'm just about the same ballpark you are. So, anyway, Deborah, have you been able to keep cool, or are you just praying for the air conditioner gods to be smiling upon you full time? 3: That, and I think we may be getting a little strong here in a little bit. 4: Not that it's not 3: that it says we're supposed to, but I think it's coming. 0: No. I've got 1 coming too. I have 1 north of me and 1 south of me. They are both traveling due east, but I haven't looked to see what is behind them. And I've gotta keep an eye on that because I've got an electric fan that isn't meant to get wet out there blowing across my chicken coop. So what can I say? I am trying to give my chickens all of the amenities I can figure out how to provide. 2: In the spirit of the conversation, I'm gonna say did you say you've got a storm north of you and south of you? Or is that what you said? 0: Yeah. They're I've got as a matter of fact, it tells me that I've had a, a lightning strike within 10 miles. 4: Oh, wow. Yeah. 1: So alerts too. Yep. 2: What you've got is Yankees to the north of you and Doodles to the south of you then. 5: Why 3: is it? Because y'all gonna make me start singing. 2: It's not the I'm a Yankee Doodle Dandy song, is it? Is that what's playing in your hand? 3: It was. I gotta tell you. It certainly was. 2: Do I know you, Deb, or do I 6: know you? 3: Pretty dang good, girl. 1: Do I know that or stuck in the middle with you? 5: That's the 1 I was sitting here. 0: And that's just basically discussing Washington DC anyway. 3: I was gonna say that's where I'm with you, Chelsea. 2: I'm loving it. 0: Yeah. So far, just a couple of little things that are they're out there. I've got 1 probably in the next hour that will will come across me. So I do have to keep an eye on a certain amount of things. I really would like actually, I'd really like to have a good storm and break this heat. 1: Yep. You really learn to appreciate it. 3: That don't cause more. 0: Yeah. Well, it causes more humidity. And, yes, I heard you, Chelsea. We we just talked over top of you. So 1: Humidity does make all the difference, though. I know Deb's dealing with it down there in Florida, and, I I do not envy her that. 2: Yeah. That's 1 of the beauties of, desert country. I lived in New Mexico, and it could literally be a 110 degrees, but there was no humidity. And it just felt so much better than what I live with here in Kentucky. The humidity is horrible in the summer. 1: Yeah. I can deal with a lot of things, but humidity is, is not 1 of them. I I used to have to go to, Oklahoma to visit my father, for the summers, and the humidity in Tulsa is just something from another world. Of course, I was living in Tucson at the time and very spoiled on a dry heat. 2: Oh, yeah. I mean, it's like breathing literally breathing pea soup. I mean, it is thick and just heavy. It's really bad, which is why as much as I hate these storms, it seems like at least where I'm at here in Kentucky, as soon as it rains, that humidity drops significantly. But it has been pretty oppressive between the storms the humidity has. 1: Speaking of oppressive, we we are not here. We are not gathered here tonight to discuss the weather. We are here as we are here every Saturday night to hear your stories about your experiences with COVID policies, protocols, and mandates, which we believe rise to the level many times of crimes against humanity. And, and the oppressive nature of the draconian COVID policies, protocols, and mandates are are really what brings us together and what brings us here tonight. And what a lot of people don't seem to realize is these things, they didn't just stop that we speak of COVID as if it were a thing of the past. But the the COVID policies, protocols, and mandates in many cases are still being implemented. And and such leg policies are being implemented under guise of various, so called threats. And we have to be vigilant against these, and we have to raise awareness about what's happened over the last 5 years, because we we really believe that there has to be accountability for these things before we're able to move forward. So if you have a story, please, tap the tap the mic in the bottom left hand corner of your screen. I know everyone has a story because we've all we've all lived through the last several years. It's the degree to which these things impacted us that is the the difference. So many people have been harmed to the the point of death And, and others were, were oppressed, censored, silenced, shoved into the memory hole. We're funneled onto online platforms and, and heavily censored, monitored and moderated. And, and finally, now in 2025, we are able to speak out about these things, and that's what we're doing here tonight. 0: Chelsea, I think we had, a couple of us had a conversation last night, and we started talking about things we had either been involved in or, things we had read about. And I'm gonna I I'm gonna kick it off because I wonder if I can find it. It would make so much more sense if I find it because I'd like to read to you what this mother talked about with her child and a trip to the hospital and the stress that was included in this unnecessarily and unbelievably. I mean, let's let's just let's just go with that part. I'm hoping that it's not gonna be too far down in my list because I'm gonna go down here. And I put it on Facebook because, you know, we get into habits of sharing things where they just seem to not get traction. And I am trying to find that. So the the the gist of the story is that their child, the mother, is taking the child to the emergency room because the child has begun having seizures. Here we go. I do have it. So this man writes, my wife took our 7 year old son to the regional hospital due to ongoing seizures. 2 of his doctors had advised to go immediately as they were concerned about the frequency and duration of the seizures, warning that they could lead to brain damage. While in the emergency department waiting room, our son experienced 4 seizures. He is nonverbal and has autism, ADHD, and epilepsy. So during episodes of pain or distress, he often vocalizes loudly. This is not uncommon for him, and my wife was doing her best to calm and comfort him while he was having multiple seizures. During this time, a nurse who was not the triage nurse approached and stated that our son couldn't be screaming like that in the emergency department. The nurse told my wife that if he didn't stop, they would need to leave. My wife explained our son's medical conditions that he cannot always control his outburst. The nurse then repeated that they would have to leave. Ultimately, my wife was made to feel unwelcome and was forced to leave the hospital during a serious medical emergency while our son was still experiencing active seizure episodes. This situation was not only deeply distressing, but also dangerous and discriminatory. The nurse had her badge hidden, so her name is unknown. Saint John Regional needs to be held accountable for the actions that come from their staff. 1: Wow. 0: Wow. Yep. I also talked about my stepmom because I was I was there the following morning. And I can't remember. 1 of 1 of our friends here was telling me telling all of us something else. But my stepmom had had, a broken hip and had had her hip surgery. So she was recovering in the hospital after that surgery and was pretty much kind of almost flat on her back. This was back before they got you up and moving within 2 hours of your hip surgery. So, they she she had had a major surgery in the 19 eighties that had left part of her, diaphragm paralyzed, from the nerve damage while they were working on her. And so she she couldn't really have a good strong cough. She's laying pretty much on her back. She has a glob of phlegm that gets caught in her throat, and she can't cough it up. And so it's it's night, and she rings the the bell. This is, 15 years ago. And so she the nurse comes in, and she's pointing at her throat and trying to whisper, I can't breathe. And the nurse plumps up the pillows around her and kind of fluffs things up and says, respiratory will be in here in just a few minutes. They'll be able to help you right out and out the door she goes. So a few minutes later or however long it took, respiratory comes in, and she's pointing at her throat and saying, I can't breathe. And then respiratory therapist says, hold this. This treatment will help you right out and puts the mask on her face and and does the complete treatment, and she's still trying to word I can't breathe. And the lay and this respiratory person is pretty much not not looking any deeper, to be honest, and continues the treatment and leaves. And so she tries again with the nurse, and the nurse again just kind of brushes it all away. So she lays there all night long watching the clock, waiting for 7AM when she knew that they would change shifts and she'd have a different nurse. And I have a friend who she had a friend who became a mutual friend who was a former RN. She was retired. And she said the biggest reason that my stepmother, Sheila, survived this episode is because she was a COPD patient. And with that damage to her diaphragm, years ago, she had learned how to control her breathing and how to live on less oxygen. That's the only reason she survived this incident. So at 07:00, she hits the button and in bustles her normal daytime nurse who walks in the door, takes 1 look at her, steps back outside, and hits a button on the wall outside, and all the bells and whistles go off, and they call a code. And she said the room just filled with people while they worked on her. And when my dad arrived about a half hour later, they had her sitting up and her color was pretty much back. And the the nurse and he said he walked in, and there wasn't too many people in there, but there was stuff everywhere where they had opened every package and were just working on her, and there was gauze and paper and everything laying everywhere. And the nurse told him, I walked in, and I've never seen anybody as blue as her. I didn't think she was gonna make it. This was at least 15 years ago. We have been watching the degradation of our medical system for a very long time. 3: And Because the 1 the first mistake was any respiratory training. That is insane. 0: Yeah. The respiratory do you have the 2: respiratory therapist come in and do that? Yeah. Because even as a PT who did respiratory therapy in the, mid and late eighties, When you have a person who has a raspy low whisper and they're breathing in high high rate, respiratory rate because, obviously, they're not getting much oxygen, The first thing you know is you've got at least a partial obstruction. So, you know, it's in it's insane that they left this woman overnight, allowed her to become blue, which is, you know, cyanosis. When you turn blue like that, you have a serious oxygen compromise, and you're at a massive risk of a full cardiac arrest and death. I that blows my mind that a nurse multiple times missed it and a respiratory therapist missed it. It is you know, that just speaks to how dangerous hospitals are now. They're very dangerous. 0: And from that point on, just so you know, my I stayed at night. Matter of fact, now that I think about it, that night, I did not stay with her. I had been staying with her. Dad stayed during the days. I stayed at night because we were allowed to sleep on the, you know, the little couch over there. I hadn't stayed there that night because my husband was losing his uncle, and we went for the last visit with him that night. So I didn't stay overnight in the hospital. So I had forgotten about that part. You just reminded me. Because I always said, hospitals are no place for sick people. 2: Well, that brings back memories. My father said the exact same thing when they almost killed him, in the ICU in that was about 1998. The you don't even wanna know that story, but, literally, they almost killed him too. And just medical malpractice. Unbelievable medical malpractice. 0: And then they put it on steroids and called it COVID. 2: Exactly. That's exactly what they did. Yep. 0: It's not, well, I see we have TeeBird up. And I'm wondering since TeeBird was in the medical field, what about Canada? What do you think about the Canadian medical establishment? Are they as prone to screwing up as the Americans are? 5: Uh-oh. Honestly, that's a really deep question. 4: Deep woods. 5: The corruption and the censorship, I believe, was worse here. 4: Mhmm. 5: But I do I'll say this from the bottom of my heart. I do believe each country was used as own, experiment. They used your venom reservoirs and and ventilators there. We I never saw that happen here. Yet, we're having everyone look like they're fine and holding on so no 1 believes there's vaccine injuries. That's why we're up to 8 to 10. I think it's, 89 percent of Canadians are triple boosted. That that's a huge percentage. There's only, like, 40000000 of us. So they they played us all very differently. But I will say this. I went to nursing school in Toronto, Canada, which is, like, just north of New York City, and it's very similar in New York City if anyone's been there as far as cityscape, the cement jungle, and, of course, many, many hospitals and, great great medical teams. However, I will I will say I wasn't taught anything about, nutrition ever. Wasn't taught taught anything about vaccines in all my medical learnings. So I think that's global. But incompetence, yeah, when I wrote my nursing exam, in I think it was 1999, I was a minority as a white woman of Canada then. And I there was a 150 of us enrolled in the program, and there were only and I'm not I'm not saying any racist, but these people that could barely speak English. So because we're so, quote, multicultural up here and so acceptable, and there were different funds that I found out about. There was an actual I and someone can help me if if they are black. And I am it was called the black fund because I would go in the cafeteria with the girls. And I'm like, oh, well, I just have 3 babies at home, so I'm just enrolling so that I can get the payments, like, that kind of stuff. But, I was there was only 6 white girls in a 150 in my class. At the end, only 30 of us graduated. But I remember looking around the exam room. I'll never forget this till the day that I It's back when Scantron happened. I don't know if I've I probably have said this story before. All of us that are old enough to remember, you know, use a pencil. It has to be specific. And on the board, it said, use pencil only. You know, the chalkboard at the front of this huge classroom where it's an 8 hour exam. You do 4 hours, then you get an hour lunch, then 4 hours. You're not allowed up to get up to pee. Nothing. I'm just talking about 1 day in my life realizing how dangerous our medical system is. And these people I looked around me, and I went, oh my god. Most of these people were still using pen. And I thought, if they don't know what the difference between pen and pencil are, how are they gonna differentiate between diphenhydramine and dimenhydronate? Totally different medications. Right? So I would say we are definitely not capable up here, especially in my now as a patient experience. And I I mean, when I was a trauma nurse, I wouldn't even take my hour break. If I did 12, 13 hours, which is dangerous, I was so afraid to leave my patients for that hour for another nurse in case they didn't run the blood at the right time. I was double begging, like, hanging extra dextrose, priming it from I couldn't I couldn't consciously take a break. That's how scared I was as a nurse then, and now I'm even more terrified living in the system that still completely just doesn't care. They they just ignore you. If you call them out, they dismiss you as a patient. And we don't pay our doctors up here. So if they kick you out as a patient and it that gets around, you don't have a doctor anymore. You can't even buy 1. So, corrupt, I think it's definitely I don't know how on a different level of corruption. That's my opinion, but thank you for asking. And it's so nice to see you ladies in here again tonight. And I wanted to ask, what are you guys seeing in retrospect? I actually wanted to ask the question. For those of you who've loved lost your loved 1, who were in health care or not in health care, are you guys seeing any movement? Are you like, I'd love to hear what is going on for you for your families? Like, is it is it still just dismissal or that's what I wanted to ask. And thank you for the question, love. 2: I I guess you mean relative to anyone recognizing what happened with our family members? You're you're is okay. Got it. I see the heart. So yeah. It's of course, you know, with the people that we're around, you know, we recognize it because we've experienced it. But I don't think there's a huge recognition, particularly of the protocols, more so. There's there's a beginning larger recognition of the VAX injuries, but, I I don't see the system itself on any kind of scale really recognizing the protocol, injure injuries and deaths. I routinely get on x, and I see people saying, well, you know, that's not how it happened. You know? They were doing the treatment that they needed to do. So I don't really see anyone outside of the circles on a large scale recognizing what really happened, but maybe protocol can also say what she thinks. 0: Well, to be honest, I was very disheartened by what happened in the Sharra case. I'm still 5: totally, 0: amazed. Let's just amazed. We'll go with amazed. That that jury could sit there for 3 weeks and listen to some pretty egregious things and not at least pretend to, discuss it. I mean, somebody could have brought a a damn deck of cards to the jury room, and they could have played freaking poker for, you know, 2 or 3 hours and gotten dinner and then come back late and pretended like they actually discussed the thing. But, no, they you know, for anybody that's that's on this space and doesn't understand what case I'm talking about, she was young. She was 19. She was disabled. She had Down syndrome, and she was never treated for her COVID other than with some steroids, minor. They were pediatric doses. She was a full grown person. They did not do any respiratory treatments on her. They did, however, give her plenty of sedatives, which started the night she got there, and they overdosed her 2 days in a row. The first 2 days she was there, they overdosed her twice. On the second time, they actually had to use 3 different pressers to bring her back. So on the last day, they added 2 more sedatives to that list of things that she was on and then act surprised that she stops breathing completely. At that time, her father had refused to allow them to have a blanket authorization for intubation, something that we were all pressured for. What are we going to do when your loved 1 codes? Not if. When your loved 1 codes, can we intubate? Here. Sign on the dotted line, which gives them the blanket right to make that choice at 2AM without even calling you. Well, the dad wouldn't do that. He didn't like the idea of the blanket use, and he expected a phone call if it needed to be done. But the fact that he refused to allow them to intubate meant to the doctor that he was authorized to change her to a do not resuscitate. Based on that designation, she when she coded, the nurses refused to go in despite the fact that 3 family members, 2 on a FaceTime and 1 standing in the hallway, were begging for them to save her, and they wouldn't because they said they didn't have the right without the doctor. And he's, what, a phone call away freaking page his ass. That's just me. When this went to trial, there were 3 weeks of testimony. And the when they turned the jury loose to go deliberate, from the time the door closed behind them as they walk out to go to the jury room, they'd have to walk to the jury room. Did anybody have to go potty? Did anybody need to buy a soda? Did anybody need a snack? We don't know those things. How far is the jury room from the courtroom? Can't tell you. Walk to the jury room. And then an hour or so later, there were messages coming out of the jury room where they were asking more questions. And I wanna say there was at least 4 messages, all from different jurors who wanted questions answered. Well, the the judge kinda got I mean, he was ready to answer most of them, but 1 of them got complicated. And he was annoyed because, technically, he had instructed them that the they had to elect a foreman, and the foreman could send all the messages that he or she wanted as long as it came from the foreman. So he ends up bringing the jury back. So now they walk back down the hallway from wherever they've been, and they sit there, and they get their questions answered. They get more instructions from the judge. And then they ask, how long will it be before we see a menu for dinner? And then they leave the courtroom, go back down the hallway, and send back the message. 15 minutes later, we've come to our conclusion. 1.96 hours total after 3 weeks of testimony. And however much they got done when you include the walking, potty breaks, snack, buy, whatever. So they put no time into it, so they could have at least played poker and pretended they had time in there. So the long answer to you, Tiburt, is that we've kinda come to the conclusion, several of us. I mean, I'm just talking about us. We're not gonna get any kind of recognition on the civil courts. We might see movement on the criminal courts, Although I think some of the current paperwork that's been requesting these things as far as criminal in certain states, they may be reaching a little bit much. It might be easier to go for the smaller fish first and get something done, but their the the the requests for criminal prosecution, include the head of the snake, Anthony Fauci, and and Deborah Birx, and numerous others in our health agencies. And I think by doing that, you've kind of made that such a hot potato. If they I think that if they went to these states and they said, hey. The CEOs of that hospital system and that hospital system, you know, murdered people. They ordered their people to murder their patients, and here's the proof. Maybe they could get a grand jury faster on those guys, and then they could work on the rest of the chain going up. But I can't guarantee that either. That's just my feeling. 2: I think you're right, protocol, because, you know, in those specific hospitals, if you have enough cases, there's your proof directly linked to the hospital who performed the protocols. So, yes, I think it's much harder to go after a head of a 3 letter agency or a politician or anyone in that actual system, who doesn't have a direct link to actual cases where people were killed by those. So yes. But long and short, you know, it all presumes that a an AG actually cares enough or has enough, wherewithal and enough guts to actually risk their own political career. And, you know, I'm not holding my breath on that 1. 0: So, yeah, there's your answer, t bird. Nothing yet. And every now and then you see our current HHS secretary Kennedy say hopeful things, they're kind of semi bland and sort of sideways. Whereas when he was campaigning and before he campaigned, he was pretty outright that he considered what was going on in American hospitals to be mass homicide. He did not mince words. He knew what was going on then. So we know he knows about it, but I'm not entirely sure that any of the people who make a difference or could make a difference understand that it's continuing. 2: Right. And I for anybody who's like, oh, did Kennedy really say that? Yes. He actually did. Go to my profile. Look at my pinned post. Within the first 2 minutes in, you will see it. Let me quote it exactly here. I'm gonna look at it for you. It is an actual post that I included, and it's from, Sparta Justice. It's a video, and it's it's actually true Truth Justice is the actual name at Sparta Justice is the the, handle of the person. And it literally is titled Doctors Who Murder. And in the first 2 minutes of that 21 minute video of RFK Jr, he literally says that the protocols were homicide. He uses the word homicide. So go and look at that pin post. I will also make a copy of it now and put it in the chat so he clearly 0: knows. Now all we have to do is get him to do something, and I don't know how that happens. What do you think, Deborah, or Marie? What do you think about the potential for us finding I won't even say justice in our lifetime, but how about recognition? I'm not very hopeful, but I I try to stay hopeful. Yeah. It's, it's 4: 1 0: of those things where you it's in the back of your mind, but you you it's it's like, you know, being a hundred and 20 pounds again. Sure. Maybe I can get there, but, it's probably not likely. So, you know, we that's the funniest way to look at it. It's probably not gonna happen in our lifetime. It will be like the Tuskegee experiment before it's recognized. 1: Go ahead, T. P. If we're honest if we're honest, this administration has, from RFK to the top, turned tail and run Yep. Recently from everything they campaigned on and everything so many people were hopeful that they would deliver on. Among those are accountability for COVID related crimes against humanity, for what's been done to children with these massive sex trafficking networks. And, and, I mean, very recently, within the last several days, all of this is, what? Why are you still talking about those things? And, RFK is simultaneously, tacitly approving a new improved mRNA shot now with smaller spike. As if smaller spike means anything, it I I don't even I can't imagine what is that supposed to make it sound better that the spike is smaller? It it doesn't matter the size of the spike. It's spreading everywhere, and it's supposed to stay localized. They told everyone it was supposed to be localized where, you know, the injection site. And and that is not true. The spike goes everywhere. It crosses the blood brain barrier. It it collects in those sensitive parts that you need to procreate. It it has all these numerous numerous harms, and I don't understand how anyone is supposed to believe that by shrinking the the size of the spike, we're improving this in any way. And, also, he said, oh, by the way, I'm no longer recommending it for anyone except boomers. So is he is he saying, like, it's okay to to risk the lives of this group in particular? The older people and and the infirm should take it and no 1 else. And and in context of, you know, the so called conspiracy theories where this is a a controlled demolition and part of a a depopulation campaign, it's it's pretty hard to see it as anything but when they're they're acknowledging these harms and still willing to recommend it for any subset of the population. Seems self off self evident. 2: I totally agree. I totally agree because think about the population that would be easiest to hide the mortality from that end, and it would be the boomers and up because, you know, they're older. They're dying. So what? I mean, easy to hide your depopulation agenda there. 1: That doesn't make it okay. Like, I'm I'm glad he's not recommending it for everyone, but it's not okay to to recommend this for anyone when we've seen so many harms. I go in as I do almost every day and retweet just the people who said, you know, the jabs or the shot or the the vax killed their loved 1. And there are infinite of these. If you just scroll down my timeline, that's mostly all I do is retweet people who have been injured by these policies, protocols, and mandates, and it goes on forever. And it's it's just gobsmacking that these are continuing to be recommended for anyone and continuing to be approved when they they've caused so much harm. Tibert can speak to that. Go ahead, Tibert. 5: You you guys are just it's breaking my heart because I look back at logistics. And when this happened, I remember watching the movie with Michael Keaton about 09:11. If you guys have seen it, how long it took for them to prosecute and get this to the survivor families some kind of compensation, whether they were a housekeeper on the floor, whether they were whatever. And I don't get into that type of politics. But when I watched that, it took just over 3 years with 1 lawyer and 1 team put it just like an Aaron Brockovich kinda situation. Right? The movies we watch were living. So I was I was gonna ask because I am not familiar. I don't like to talk about war. I took care of a lot of veterans since I've been 16 years old. So I've had World War 1, Vietnam, World War 2, new vets from Afghanistan. I've had I've had all these people that I've taken care of, and they tell me stories that I don't even wanna hear because I'm not in a military family. I don't I I don't like war. So it was never history was never a thing. But I keep hearing, like, this is Nuremberg too. Nuremberg too. So then when I looked up Nuremberg, just I just wanna share this. Like, Nuremberg 1 was handled within 10 months. And I thought it was interesting just to share because I'm like, what what kind of trajectory are we going? How can we follow? What happened? How do we what do we how do we do Nuremberg 2? And I'm not a lawyer. I did go to law school for fun. Like, I I just took it as, you know, a side thing. You know, you have to do double majors. And I learned so much, but I'm not I'm a lawyer. I don't know this stuff. But listen to this. And most of you probably already know this, but I just looked it up so I could read it properly and not just recite it. But so the International Military Tribunal, IMT, also known as the Nuremberg trials, was in I wanted to know who started it. Who got this locked and loaded and closed within 10 months? This is where I think I'm losing hope. So this is interesting because it all goes back to Germany, Pfizer, Albert Bourla. Go figure. Right? So this is very similar. The international military blah blah blah was initiated by the allied forces, specifically United States, Great Britain, France, and The Soviet Union following World War 2. Again, it was locked and loaded and closed within 10 months to to decipher this. These nations came together to establish a legal framework to prosecute prominent leaders of Nazi Germany for war crimes, crimes against peace, and crimes against humanity. The thing that scares me is these are all severed relationships now. Right? You see them, like, Great Britain is partnering with Canada. Canada's fighting with The United States for we aren't our stupid who China. You know, where's China in all this? Right? Where is China in all this? What what is this plan? Who did this? Why can't we get Nuremberg too? And that that's what I wanted to hypothetically ask. I I I saw sorry, sir. Oh, Christ. Sorry. I'm distracted. Anyway, I just wanted to say that because I'm just like, how can we get these teams back together? They won once, and they did it with less sophistication but more camaraderie. And I feel like they are all tearing each other apart now, which makes it harder for us to come together globally for crimes against humanity. Any thoughts on that, guys? 1: Well, I mean, you're right. Nuremberg was, an effort by by countries who had just won a war, and it didn't actually I mean, the kind of accountability we're seeking, I don't think could come from a Nuremberg style trial. And if we look at Nuremberg as the as the golden standard, even, you know, see also Operation Paperclip. A lot of those a lot of those people weren't prosecuted at all, but funneled to continue their work in various capacities in various places. So, I think I think we need to do this nationally. America kind of spearheaded this, and America should I mean, it was Americans who Tony Fauci, who who started the gain of function research to begin with. I think the buck stops with him, and he he needs to be brought to account by America. I'm really hesitant to to seek any kind of global accountability for what we what we experience, because I think that would be like walking into a well laid trap because that's really what the what I think the ultimate goal of a lot of this stuff was. You know, the nobody is safe until everyone is safe kind of thing where the pressure was on everyone to be in compliance across the world and anyone who wasn't. It it sort of hearkened back to post 9 11 when George Bush said you're either with us or you're with the terrorists. You're either vaccinated to save grandma or you're with the terrorists was basically what they were putting forward. And, and so if they were seeking global totalitarian control over everything, I would not I would shirk from establishing a global governance board to prosecute COVID related crimes against humanity. I think it really it falls to, you know, it's our con constitution and the well laid foundation that our founders put down for us that gives us the ability to pursue remedies for these things by the book, but to the letter of the law. And all of the laws are already on the books. We only have to get someone to follow the law. And And 4: we'll get shot on the road. 1: And and and hopefully not not get be harmed or or mitigated in the process. So, that's what I think. Miriam? 2: Yes. I agree. 1 key point, also that is integral to that is that if you remember, the contracts were DOD contracts with pharma. And you have to remember that, you know, if you're looking at military tribunals internationally, Nuremberg too, you would, it's very unlikely that you you would get, you know, justice there because of the fact that the DOD, is a partner in this. So, yeah, unfortunately, I do not see a Nuremberg kind of scenario ever bringing justice. Just for that reason along with all the other things that Chelsea just described. 1: But in most of the western nations where these policies, protocols, and mandates were carried out in lockstep, there are laws on the books that only need to be adhered to to bring these people to account. And, I I believe that if if if there were widespread awareness that these things have gone on, that they are still going on, And and for the reasons that they're going on, that people would demand an immediate end to it. And we pressure our elected officials, our representatives, anyone in power, anyone with a microphone or a platform and and pressure them to do the right thing, which is to to raise awareness. Once everybody knows, then the pressure will be on those with the the ability to bring these people to account to to actually do those things. And and if this administration isn't willing to do that, if they're kowtowing away from from all of what they hinted or said outright that they would do in advance of of coming to power, then we will have to go around them. We will have, you know, whatever we outnumber them. I really believe that we are we are, siloed. We are, trapped in our echo chambers and and forbidden from uniting in totality with the rest of our numbers. But we are many, and I think most people are aware at this point at least that something was very wrong, with the COVID policies, protocols, and mandates. Most people know at least 1 person, a close friend or family member who has been harmed by these policies, and they may think they're alone in this. So I think we we need to reach these people, let them know they're not alone, work with them to get the message out to others who still don't know. And and once they realize, they'll just reflect on what happened and be like, oh, right. That that was pretty messed up, and that happened to me too. And then they'll be on board, and it all goes from there. 2: I think you're a 100% right, and I think there's a critical nexus there. When the awareness is there because of the education and the outreach, you also have to think about the fact that, you know, okay. Then we have to have a place to put that awareness and outreach and push the the authorities to do what they need to do. And the question is, you know, the the invariable thing that comes to mind is, well, you know, the people who have the authority also have investments, and they have stock, and they have lobbyists at them and all that. But think about this. That's where we do have power too because when people become aware, if they don't feed those monetary interests and the biggest 1 is get yourself healthy. Don't use pharma, you know, casually. Don't you know, look at look at the truth. Look at what whether pharma has improved your health or not. Okay? Is it is it actually changing your health, or is it consuming your resources? And is it causing other problems for you? And if people can become educated about that at the same time, not just the crimes against humanity that have been committed through that lobby and through that connection with DOD. If you start to do it, then what you do is you take away you don't feed it anymore. And when it doesn't get fed, it can't control your government. And when it doesn't control your government, then you can get justice. You can get the people the people that are supposed to be serving you because you're the boss. We, the people, are the boss. Then they will start serving you because they no longer have that conflict of interest. So if you want to stop the problem, you've got to get take care of your own health and get out of that system because that system is what is controlling your government, the people that are supposed to serve you. 1: Right. Because if you're prepared for any eventuality, then you can't be scared when they start their next fear campaign. And they're never they they don't they don't stop those. They just they dial it down for a little while, and then they turn it back up a little bit louder the next time. 2: Yep. And that's exactly right. So that's where personal responsibility, personal education, and personal action is what is going to stop this entire systemic evil that we're seeing. 1: Absolutely. We have to be proactive and, take responsibility for ourselves first and then our communities and then our nation and then our world in that order. And that's really 1 of the the things they tried to upset was that dynamic, was kind of inverting it and flipping it on its hand on its head. So the world 3: is trying to get my attention, they've got it. So and if there's lots of me out there, they might not like what they get, and I don't mean that as a threat. 2: Yeah. I mean, it it does come down to the individual and then the aggregate of that. You know? Because if every individual knows, then we are a force. If every individual knows and then takes action within their community and then in within their county and their state and their their country, that's when things change. But it has to begin at the individual level. We can no longer be apathetic, you know, stay inside and, you know, look at, oh, well, I've got to do this. I've got to do that. I you know, I can't think about the problems. I'm and and they designed that too to keep us very busy, to keep us in the system where we're consuming, we're running around, we're going job, kids, house, back forth. They designed that so that you you have a hard time actually engaging. And that's where we have to start supporting each other, helping each other so that we can engage both individually and as a group. 1: Absolutely. Well said, Miriam. Go ahead, 5: Sorry. I'm not very emotional tonight. I'm just on business mode because I'm so angry for everybody, and I'm laughing because I'm so angry. I don't even have tears left. But so I start looking. Okay. We know the government's corrupt. We okay. I read the whole Nuremberg thing. I know, was it Sean that's in here? He I think he's a lawyer. He's a government guy. I I know he's good. He's on our side. I don't trust anyone, obviously. But, I mean, you gals, I do. And Doug. I see Doug. I love you guys. And I think Kyle just joined. He's great. And and Ron. Okay. I'll I'm not gonna be sexist here, but okay. But here's my question. Nuremberg. If you go through what they went through, which states or which countries went together, I I I love I'm just thinking outside the box. I'm sure everyone's already thought of this. But so I go to the nationality of like, of course, you you brought up something huge, huge, huge was, The United States. We know Fauci, it started there, his his gain of function, everybody knows that. Well, of course, The United States want to protect their own just like doctors. The 1 thing I did learn in medical school was CYA. I didn't learn about, infectious disease. Oh, I know. I I learned a lot about infectious diseases. I didn't realize they were mostly caused by vaccines, right, obviously. But all the stuff we really did, I had a whole course on nursing ethics, and it was all about covering your ass and protecting your colleagues. That was a course I took, but they couldn't teach us, the true the truth that I'm so angry with my program, with my profession. I mean, I did the best I could, obviously. So so grateful I never gave anyone a shot. Thank god. But, you know, my kids got it and I got it. So what does it it does matter. I'm just glad I didn't kill anyone else. But, anyway, what I wanna say is, to Sean, or or anybody who wants to answer this, politically speaking. Of course, if you're on that level, we're trained in the government even if you work. I worked for the government too. I worked for the RCMP. I've told you that. In in Canada, that's a different level of of military whatever training. I never shot a gun. Don't own 1. Don't want 1. I'd probably shoot myself by accident if I was, like, I'd probably trip over it or something. But, so here's my question. We're gonna know that The United States Of America are gonna cover their ass for every little thing. They're gonna protect their citizens, protect the people who did this. This is this is horrific. Right? And, so then I start looking up Anthony Fauci. And, of course, he's Italian. We know this. He also got I wonder if we can get them, and this is a legal question. He has the honorary, citizenship for, Skyaka. I can't say it properly because I'm not Italian. Oh, cripes. I tried to put it somewhere where I could save it so I could read it to you. Same with, Bill Gates. He has honorary citizenship of in in Estonia in 02/2018. It's a digital residency program. Doesn't mean it's citizenship, but if we went after Estonia and went after where these murderers are from excuse me for using that word, but that's what it is. So Anthony Fauci is a honorary citizen of Sciacca, S C I A C C A. And he is also from Italy. Of course, he they're saying he's born here. They're saying Gates was born in Washington. But I'm just saying, like, is there another way to go at this where our Americans, government or, you know, the military is not gonna go after them. What if we turn the tables around? If they're accepting all these citizenships somewhere else, can't we go after them on that level? So, yeah, you can protect your ass as a United States Government Worker. But is that a way maybe? I'm just, I know it's just spitballing, but I'm like, I know. They're just gonna cover their ass over and over and over until we can say, let's blame someone else. And what if we can we these people have other citizenships. So what if we blame them for whatever country they have a citizenship in? I don't know. I'm not a lawyer. I'm just asking. Anybody's thoughts? I know I went political tonight. Sorry. Just I'm just I want I want you guys to have closure. I want I want accountability for your loved ones being murdered. It's horrible. I'm so sick of it. Thank you. 0: I'd like to see accountability for people like you as well because we all belong together. This is they put us in separate camps. They had tried to put us in separate camps, but we aren't. We are all injured and or dead because governments chose to. I just re did I retweet this? No. I read Facebooked it. A conversation between RFK and Sasha Latapova, and she was talking about the Brooke Jackson file or trial, the first 1. And I'm paraphrasing how Sasha put it, but she because he was asking her what, you know, what can be done. And she said, when the government says or or yeah. The government basically the the the comment that was made in the by the DOJ who was representing Pfizer in her first case, and they said that they did not that Pfizer did not defraud the government. They gave the government the fraud that they ordered. 2: Yep. And what what she was referring to is for the whistleblower when a whistleblower reports a supposed, you know, fraud against a a government, then the government is the potentially injured party. And so if the government says, well, no. That's what I ordered, then there is no injury. And, since the government DOD had the contract with the pharma and they gave them the product they asked for, there's no injury. And the only potential injury part or injured party is the government from a legal standpoint, which, again and they knew this. That's why they did it the way they did it. So, you know, they've got themselves in a nice little protected legal box right there. That's what they did. 0: Keeping in mind that, actually, during the trial, the DOJ attorneys admitted that the contract stated that Pfizer was supposed to supply the government with a prototype, not a finished product. 2: Yes. And that left room for them to go from process 1 to process 2. And if no 1 knows what that is, that was where the, DNA plasmids showed up and other things that were not in the first batch, but were in the second process. And, lot more injuries there for sure. 0: The thing that comes to my mind is the the lack of concern for humanity. For whatever it was that they were negotiating for, it had nothing to do with saving lives, apparently. Nothing to do with saving lives, whatever they got. 2: No. And as for me personally, I'm totally convinced, that there's only 2 things that were important in that. 1, profits, money, and not necessarily in this order, and 2, the population. Period. Those were the drivers of the decisions they made. You can't look at it as any other way when you look at the process that they took, both in the production, in the way that they wrote the contracts, in the way that they made sure that they had, you know, a legal protection from the prep act and also in the way that they, literally rolled it out in the way that they pushed it. I mean, I don't see anything that indicates any kind of concern for humanity at all in any of those actions. 1: And that was part of the point, wasn't it? It was what they put forward to protect grandma and to to to keep everyone safe. None of it made sense. It was all, like, from the from the first step of the protocol. Tell them to to go home and, and come back when they they can't breathe. That never made sense, and it it was done by a mission. They just didn't give any guidance for outpatient treatment. The only accepted treatments were in the hospital, and they they recommended against literally doing anything else outside of a clinical trial. And the act of admission, you know, not not providing any early treatment regimen at all or any option is what facilitated the the mass death. 2: Yes. And, you know, I love that you use the word action because all the things that they did, the public policies, the actions associated with them, the protocols, the actions associated with them, the production processes, process 1, process 2, actions associated with them, the legal blocks, the legal kill boxes that were designed, and the actions associated with them were in direct contradiction to the propaganda because all of those actions took lives. All of those actions made death and injury happen, but everything they said in the propaganda was about saving lives. So to me, the long and short of it is the actions speak much louder than the propaganda words. 1: And the propaganda was pretty loud. The propaganda only recently, I was I was stunned to see the New York Times recently publish a piece called, is it is it time to stop shunning your your right wing family? And, I mean, that's an admission that they they've been encouraging people to shun their own family based on political allegiances or medical compliance, and and that should be reviled. That should be everyone should should be mad about that. That's not okay. 2: Yeah. I mean, the fact that they feel free to publish a headline like that, 1: I mean, we we still have 2: a major problem because no headline shunning your right wing family or shunning your left wing family should ever be appropriate in this country or anywhere in the world. Ridiculous. 1: It's also an admission of failure that everything they had tried to do from telling people to to disinvite their loved ones from holiday events if they weren't compliant, to telling people to disown their own children if they voted a certain way. You know, all of this dividing people down party lines or medical compliance lines. They did that, and and it didn't work. And if it had worked, then we would be having a much different conversation. They wouldn't be trying to to casually walk it back. Like, now it's now it's acceptable to stop shunning your your family members based on their their compliance or their political affiliation. 3: When they tried to explode the family nucleus. That was their whole design because if you destroy the family, you've destroyed everything. And that was their main design. But what we're seeing or what I'm seeing anyway is, like, the kids that were trained in the school because that's where the division started happening in the home and the school. Parents were working. They weren't as involved in their kids' education. They were starting to slowly change education to their narrative of how far it got. It got ridiculous before people started standing up. So that's where it all you know what I mean? That's where they concentrated the most, and that's what's the hardest to rebuild. 1: That is such a good point, Deb. That was absolutely another prong of the attack was attempting to dissolve the nuclear family, and they work towards those ends by by encouraging this, this shunning of family members. And by by suggesting that, you know, if your family members weren't up to date on their vaccines, that they don't care about you. They don't care about humanity. They don't care about anything but themselves. They're just greedy, selfish, vaxx and left wingers. That was that was how they were framed, you know, and and you couldn't you couldn't make the you couldn't bridge that divide. Go ahead, Kyle. Welcome. 7: Hey, girls. Hey, girls. Can can you guys hear me? 4: Yep. 7: Awesome. Hey. You know, she was talking about the public schools, and I made a postdoc last year, and it's just so prevalent in this conversation. I went to public school in Nebraska, and you just think about the school lunches. You think about the cafeterias. You the even down to the lunch ladies. Right? I mean, you think about all of it. Everything was modeled after a prison system. The doors, how they lock. The doors, how they're designed. Most of the high school and middle schools abs I mean, yes. We had some windows, but there were also schools that didn't even have windows. And it's all on purpose just like a prison, you know, just to get you into that that mindset to be propagandized. And when a kid didn't wanna listen and didn't wanna do trigonometry because he wasn't gonna use that in his life, he wanted to learn about taxes or things that mattered, self defense courses, how to maybe, you know, grow a garden, organic garden. Maybe we've learned how to barter. Right. How to go out there and actually barter. Like, what is it going to look like? You know, you know, you have an open mind. You have these these parents that didn't want to get certain shots for their kids and they were homeschooled, you know, and and they went after them. I mean, it was all just such a designed setup from Jump Street. And I'll never forget. I'll just finish with this. I was 6 for my back for my go to school shots, and I remember I got hit with whatever the round was. That would have been 86, 87, somewhere right in there, late eighties. And I remember my knees were, like, super duper weak, super duper tensed up. Like, I couldn't bend them properly. And I remember my parents had to help me into stores, sometimes carry me, sometimes put me on something to get me into a store when I had to go with them. And they went to the doctor and they said, hey, what's going on here? Like, his knees do not work. And he's, like, severely, severely aching. This was a month after the shot or less, the shots, the round of shots. And, they said, oh, that's that's that's childhood arthritis is what they told my parents. Just absolutely disgusting. We all know childhood arthritis doesn't exist. And if it does, I'd like to see the the the extensive research on childhood arthritis. Absolutely disgusting. Anyway, just back to the school systems and and how all that works and how they're designed and modeled after prison systems. 3: But you know what, Kyle, too? What they did, like, you know, when I was in school or and some of us here at the panel here, minus Chelsea, she kind of they stopped in that era probably. We were we did home ec. We did all the things that it took for life skills for you to survive in life. Slowly they don't do any of that in school anymore. It that's exactly that's the extent we went. And they did all that by design too. Because if you can't take care of yourself, then you're you you are dependent on them. 7: Exactly, Deb. And then what happens is you have parents that come to school boards as we've all seen in the last 5 years, and they wanna complain about certain things. They wanna complain about the pedophilia in the books, and they get the FBI called on them. Fantastic, What a what a what a what a credit system. You know, you go in to be a real human being and try to have God in your life at some level, and you get, all the 3 letter agencies called. So 3: But I think that's where they made 1 of their mistakes. They did not expect people to stand up like they are. They did not expect I mean, look. We won the school system back. It's up to us what we do with it. But the point of it is is that they didn't this is where this is their failure of all failures. They did not expect us to fight back. They thought when to just to bring this too much destruction and this much heartache and pain that people were just gonna be so distraught they could not function. And all they did was piss a bunch of people off. 7: Amen, Deb. No retreat. No surrender. Thank you, girls, for the space again. Fantastic stuff. And, we're just gonna keep pushing forward every single day and night. 1: Yep. Nothing else we can do but that. I'd like to invite anyone else who has a story to share about your experience with COVID policies, protocols, or mandates to tap the bottom, the the mic icon in the bottom left hand corner of this interface. We would love to hear from you, even if you've you've documented your story with us at chbmp.org or if you've shared it on this space before, we would love to hear from you again. I see a lot of people I know have stories listening, and, and we would love to hear from you tonight. Welcome, Nancy. How are you doing? 8: Hi. I'm doing good. Today, not so good. I got, attacked by a dog on my hand, and he ripped a big 3 inch flap of skin off the top of my hand. So I'm having to deal with that, but, I'll live through it. It's not the worst thing in the world. I but the 1 of the worst things that actually happened to me was in November 2022. I think a lot of you know I got a DPT shot and it changed my life forever. It, it ruined my brain. My brain normally operates at if I wanna be arrogant a 100%, it's down to about 40%. My body has healed. I ended up getting the shingles really, really bad on my face and head, and I've had 2 and a half years of nerve damage pain on my face and head. But that's healed about 80%. My body is is greatly healed. I don't have the fatigue anymore. I did a lot of unconventional medicines, and I'm I'm very lucky to be alive, and I'm very thankful to be alive. But, what it taught me is COVID woke me up. I was born in 1946, so I'm gonna be 79 this year. And that was when the World War II was over. And my dad came home from the war. He was a medic in the in the army and everyone was joyous and jubilous. And and we had overcome communism in the world, and now it was time to live the American dream, buy a home, start a business, go to college on the GI Bill. And I lived that life for a long time until I owned my business and had to face some legislative laws that were bad. That was the first time that my Pollyanna world was shattered, and it happened again with the COVID 19. And I realized that communism was here, that the court system was corrupt, that the constitution was hanging by a thread, and what were we gonna do about it? And, of course, my first go to is prayer and asking God, what do you want me to do? And 1 of the reasons I joined x is because someone told me there's a lot of injured people, and maybe you can find some remedies in what to do there. So I joined x 2 years ago. I met T Bird, who I think a lot of, and Kyle and Maga and Ron and so many of you people. And, you know, just having someone to talk to that's gone through something like you have is very comforting. I went to, the Red Pill Expo in Oklahoma, excuse me, Tulsa, Oklahoma last week. And Edward g Griffin, is a wonderful man. He wrote a book called Creature from Jekyll Island, which is about the federal reserve system and how our nations have been captured through the banking system and the corrupt globalists. But he said, you know, animals herd together. Cows like to be together, horses like to be together, birds like to be together. And he says, we as people do too. We're sociable animals. And and he said, there's healing in that and comfort in that. And so so I just wanna thank you for continuing to have this space. And, it is very comforting and healing to hear other people and to know you're not alone in your your suffering and healing. I don't know if my brain will ever go back to full capacity, and I don't know if my nerve endings will ever completely heal. But I'm in a good place, And it's taken a lot of time to do, but I'm in a much better place than I was and been able to meet so many of you awesome people like Ernest. Was able to give Ernest a hug and see the real person that he really is. He's a wonderful guy, and, I've been able to meet Ron. He was able to come to my house, and, and the and that's it's just a comfort to know you guys. So thank you for letting me speak. 1: Thank you, Nancy, and I appreciate your efforts to raise awareness too about what happened to you and the various things that have actually managed to help. There's so many people who are hurting and who don't know, where to turn, and everybody is different. So you never know what what might work for you. And speaking of, Kat Kat Kat Kat, how are you doing? 9: You were speaking of me? 1: Well, speaking of people who are using their own experience to help raise awareness and, and prevent the 4: suffering from 1: happening to us. 9: Thank you. Well, I just came up because I think Nancy has something to tell us about today. Right, Nancy? 8: What was that question again? I was talking to my husband. 9: Don't you have something to tell us about today? 10: You put it down. 9: Is it today's special? 8: Today's special, I'm not sure. I got bit by a dog today. 6: I don't know if it's birthday? 5: No. It's not 11: it's not 8: until November. 9: Oh my god. I have July 19 in my in my Nancy address book contact. 8: Oh, no. It's it's November 24. 9: Oh, how did I screw that up? Well 8: But but thank you anyway. 9: I'm sorry about the dog. That really stinks. Not your dog. Right? 8: No. It was a a friend of mine, her dog, and ripped a big 3 inch flap off the top of my hand. And darn it. It's really stingy, and it'll be okay. It'll heal. But, I won't post it as too graphic. It might make some people sick. So 9: Yeah. Are you soaking it in chlorine dioxide, or is is that 8: Oh, no. Oh, no. I can't. I I washed it out, which was very painful, and then I put meluca honey on it. And I'm sitting, letting it dry out before I butterfly bandage it and, put it together. It's it's really trying to to knit together. God made us pretty wonderful, and we do heal, and it's amazing. You know, I've never doubted that a cut will heal, and and it will heal. And I'm trying to be the same about the nerves in my head that they will heal. So 1: in the vein of different things work for different people. My mother would tell you to, rinse that with ionized water. She was a big proponent of the benefits of that, and it does work as an antiseptic. I understand it. Mhmm. Go ahead, Kat. 9: Oh, no. I'm done. I just I just want to wish Nancy a happy birthday, like, a few months in advance. Alright. 1: Well, we'll keep that in mind come November. It is it is nice. We are a bit of a close knit community, so it's nice to, think of think of those little things, and I appreciate that. 4: Thank you, Karen. 9: And it was Miriam's birthday 2 days ago. 1: Indeed. Happy belated, Miriam. 2: Yeah. Somebody asked me if I was 29 and holding, and I said 29 and holding, 29 and holding again, plus, let's see. Can I do the math? Plus 4. 3: And didn't Kat say it was her birthday the next day if I heard that right? 9: No. That was Apothecary. My birthday is September 11. 3: Somebody said, after Miriam, theirs was the next day. But okay. Well, see, at least I was paying attention. 9: That's that's awesome, Deborah. I didn't you didn't know there was gonna be a quiz afterwards. 3: No. But I'm ready. 1: You are. While everybody is paying attention, we are going to go ahead and read the the names a little early tonight, just as we're hosting the space a bit early, and we might need to wrap a bit early. We will, protocol widow will be reading the names of victims of COVID related crimes against humanity who have documented their stories with us at chbmp.org and who are facing the anniversary of their loved one's death either today or over the next week. 0: Protocol, Widdell? Thank you. I'm dreading as we go farther into the summer the length, that I know we will start seeing to this list. And the fact that all of you come to this space and let us honor these people is really special. That that takes a lot of strength for you to come here because it's very depressing. But as we go into this to the late summer and early fall, if you continue to stay with us, remember this conversation. So tonight, we are honoring Kenneth Anderson junior, who was killed on 07/23/2021. His story was told by his wife, Kayla Anderson. Keith Carpenter was killed on 07/24/2021. His story was told by his wife, Patrice Carpenter. The members of the COVID 19 humanity betrayal memory project want to extend our deepest sympathies to all of our families for these horrific crimes. 1: Thank you, Proto Covedo. Well said, and well read. I I have pinned the the list, the full list of those who are facing their anniversaries over the next month, in the, in the nest and in the purple pill. So please visit that page, refresh it if it doesn't load the first time. And if you can share help us share those stories to raise awareness about what happened to these people. Every story is critically important and and I believe demands attention. And and all of the stories on the whole, we've we've had submitted over 1,300 stories. We have published 900, with interviews, and every 1 of them will break your heart. And on the whole, they they really do present, I think, incontrovertible evidence that there was a pattern of action, that this had to be coordinated at some level, and that the harms to people were not extremely 3: rare. Yes. That there were a lot that they were able to go clear across the whole country and do the very same thing at the very same is just ironic to me as as a medical professional. It's 0: I have to admit, I was on a conversation with a woman who called me because she found us on you know, she found our website, and that was open that was the part that pretty much opened her eyes. She, lives in the Chicago area and, is a nurse and is married to a doctor and actually was working partially with, Peter McCullough, who was overwhelmed trying to help people. And she would periodically get a message from him, can you contact this person? And they need help. They're trying to get their loved 1 out of the hospital. They're trying to keep their loved 1 out of the hospital. Whatever. And she said at first, she did exactly what we did. This this hospital doesn't know what it's doing. Why is this hospital doing these things? This hospital is is crazy. They're not even treating them. This and then when we got involved with each other, we found out that this hospital was nationwide all at 1 time, and that's something that not too many people outside of a group like this recognize because they all think, oh, it was a lousy hospital. No. No. They were following instructions from the government, guys. Get it. Get a grip. Anyway, that's just my 2¢ for tonight. 1: And since when since when in the history of medicine has the the standard of care be ignore it until it gets worse? Never. Never. At least in my lifetime, I've never seen anything like it. Welcome, Kim, to the space. How are you doing tonight? Go ahead. 12: Howdy howdy. I've hopped in and out of these COVID crime spaces on and off since, moving back to Oklahoma about 2 years ago. And I'm probably have already shared this on 1 of your spaces, but thought I would here. So, my brother and I were both born deformed with no genetic anomalies. But right before COVID hit, I got accepted into John Hopkins POTS clinic. And I was in Texas, and we decided to move, and we were told by Hopkins that we would still be able to get treatment even if we did not get the vaccine. The move was already underway. And when we got out there, that was not the case. But the interesting tidbit is that it was so early into the word COVID even being known that hindsight finds it very surprising to me that 1 of my treating doctors at that facility told me that they knew that COVID would cause POTS and that that would be the outcome for people who get COVID. And, long COVID the term long COVID had not been invented yet. I do have POTS, and I did not know that I had it my whole life. And so I just wanted to let you guys know that if you're suffering, you probably have a form of dysautonomia. And if you happen to decide to bear children after infection, it's likely that they will be born with a connective tissue disorder that causes worse dysautonomia than just the the vaccine injury. That's it. I'm happy to take questions if you happen to have any, but that's my little story so you guys could have the background. 1: Thank you for that, Kim. My my first question is how what is the the most straightforward way for someone to rule that out? 12: To rule out if they have POTS? 1: Yes. 12: They never get dizzy, and they feel fine. It's it's very difficult because the formal diagnosis is a tilt table test. You can do a poor man's tilt table test and just, like, lay down and then stand up, but they have to look for the, blood pressure in the brain to get the neurological impacts. And people with POTS can have no connective tissue disorder, and so then no vascular issues in the body, and it just be like a nerve communication thing, but that's very rare. Most people with POTS also have a connective tissue disorder. So they're hypermobile, and that comes with other implications. Since 2017, they've found about 20 genes for the disease of Ehlers Danlos syndrome, or hypermobility disorders. Prior to COVID, it was estimated to be 1 in 200000 and still rare. Now it's up to 1 in 500. So most of us have some form of autism, and we're going to see it skyrocket. So the way that you rule it out is you have to not trust the institutions, not trust their marketing at all, and you can only trust the skills and competencies of the provider. And if you didn't look them up and if you didn't do your due diligence to make sure you're with the right provider, then you'll never know that if you have the right answer. I do wanna let y'all know that there's a cardiologist in Dallas Fort Worth named Amer Suleiman. He was on the team of doctors that helped get the only medication invented that tends to help us very much. It's called Midadrine. And he has his shop set up to test well outside of cardiology into all forms of dysautonomia. And so I would recommend traveling to go see that provider. The name of the business is called the Heartbeat Clinic. 2: Yes. Thank you, Kim. And just in case anybody isn't familiar with some of those terms, just wanna let you know, basically, POTS, the the name for the acronym, and then I'll tell you what that means, is postural orthostatic syndrome. And, basically, what's happening is when people change positions, their heart rate, blood pressure is, bottoming out and or shooting heart rate high and then blood pressure bottoming out. And it can be, like Kim said, either from, you know, vascular issues or from actual neurologic issues. And, yes, it is seeing being seen after the shots, after COVID. It is becoming much more common. And so, and it is it sounds like, oh, that's not a big deal, but it is very, very debilitating because, Correct. You can lose consciousness. You can fall and break things when that happens, because you don't have any control over that. So it is a very debilitating problem and, is also, like I said, associated with with the COVID shots. So, as a matter of fact, I believe it was listed in the Pfizer document 5.3 0.6 as 1 of the 1,290 known, post vaccine injuries. 12: I'll add 1 more tidbit and then step down. But, most people with POTS have experienced fainting episodes. So it's and some people faint multiple times a day. You don't really realize just how much your parasympathetic system is important. So, like, you know, a lot of us, we're we're we're fainting while we're urinating and defecating also. My particular diagnosis did not come even though my POTS is severe because I had it from birth. And those of us who have had it from birth tend to not get diagnosed until we are older because we develop what's called neurally mediated syncope. It means we're so used to fainting all the damn time when we first learn how to stand up that the body figures out how to actually not faint. And then there's altered brain development in us, and so we tend to have altered brain structures if we're born with these things. It still falls within normal humanity. It's not like huge parts of the brain are missing, but the, fluid supply of blood and CSF around the brain tend to look a little bit different if you've had it your whole life because you went through the developmental processes with it. And that's what I'm afraid we're gonna end up with the next generation is a whole bunch of people like me who had POTS our whole life, but it was never actually diagnosed correctly, and we were just pushed over into mental health care. 1: Wow. And that is that is just 1 of the the many varied spectrum of injuries and and side effects that are so called side effects that people are experiencing after getting these experimental shots. Based on the recent oh, Kim. I hope you'll come back up. I think T Bird had a question for you. I was just gonna say really quick based on the recent, study that Posse did. He was talking about on our space recently. The only reasonable conclusion is that they they varied the batches. That different batches were testing, you know, different variations of the concoction to see what was what would impact who, how. And, that's a very interesting study. I will find it and link it. T Bird, go ahead. 5: Hi. Oh, Kim. I had not seen you before or heard you, or maybe I have, but I followed you. The pots thing. Do you know I've been trying I tried to diagnose myself. I knew what was happening. Everything you just described is sickening because that's what happened to us exactly to a t. It makes me so sad that they actually told you outright that's what was gonna happen or did happen or was gonna happen. So so infuriating. I have it on my fridge right now. I shit you not. So I was poisoned by this bioweapon on 05/04/2021. I finally got an appointment. Well, I finally got an appointment notification on November 2023 that my appointment would be 08/27/2025 to go to a POTS clinic in the initial cardiology appointment. I have that's in Toronto at Women's Health Centre. I'm in Ottawa. It's only 4 hours away. But I'm in the capital of Canada, and I have 3 cardiologists since this happened. No 1 is helping or treating. There was only 1 person that got me an actual diagnosis, and not 1 doctor was able to understand what I was asking for when I heard. It was Anna Giuseppe. She's a nurse that now lives I won't dox her, but in The States, she heard my story and said, t bird, you gotta go do this TELT test. I never I've been in RN for now now it's gonna be 27 years. I still have my license. But at that point, I think it was 25 25 years when I heard her in a space, and she says, you need to get this TELT test. Go to my doctors. They don't even know what it is or they're they tell me they don't know what it is. The lab technicians who do the test don't have a clue what it is. I I would go in on my own, like, please do this test for me. So finally, she said, with your EKG, of course, our EKGs are coming back perfect. Right? It's a cover up. So they just lay you flat like they do for everybody else, but that doesn't you know, that's not what POTS is. Right? And I never saw POTS ever in my life, and I worked in every situation most nurses have after, you know, 3 decades. You're, like, you've worked everywhere. I never even heard of POTS. So, anyway, whatever. So so Anna says, you know what? Tell your doctor you wanna sit to stand EKG. And he was, like, refusing to do it. We're flat out. He was just like, they refused to do everything here in Canada. And finally, he he said fine. And he I brought it into the lab, and she's like, I have no idea. I've never heard of this. And, again, none of these people really speak clear in English. So I was like, this is what you're gonna do. And I had to walk them through it. I'm the 1 that's sick. Like, I'm the 1 that's every organ's now damaged because it's been so long that no one's helping me. So what you're saying is so what they told me to do, what Anna told me to do, was take sit in a chair in front of the machine and hook yourself up, and then get them to do the EKG, and then stand up right away and have her redo the strip. And that was 3 years ago, and I'm still waiting to see a POTS specialist, quote, clinic. That just goes to show you how bad the situation is if I have to wait that long in a you know, in in the same province. And what you're saying about that 4: You know, even if you got 12: in to see 1 even if you got in to see 1, they're so hyper specialized that they won't be able to address the generalized dysautonomia, which is actually what the shot caused you. POTS is like like, you have generalized dysautonomia, and so that's like a surrealist painting, and POTS is like just 1 color. 5: That is so deep. It just it it's true. I have lost hope. I don't even wanna ever see another doctor. I don't want another X-ray. I don't want anything because they don't know what they're doing. And all the this isn't my honest I'm sorry I'm being negative, but it's my real realistic situation. All these traditional tests and medicine, nothing works. This was a bioweapon. Traditional medicine didn't plan and make machines for bioweapons as far as I'm concerned. And like I said, like, I'm in full heart failure because of the pots, because of the tachycardia, the hypertension that's been going on now for over 4 and a half years that's unmanaged with medication because they don't know channel calcium channel blockers do not work. Beta blockers do not work. This thing attacked our heart cells, everything. I had an 12: over Have you taken Midadrine? No. 13: But you know what 4: I did? 5: You know what I did that is helping a little bit right now? It and I understand it was quote this is really interesting. It's called ivabradine or Lompara, and it's it's a heart I mean, I am in for a full heart failure. So I had to tell my cardiologist about it, 1 of the 3, and I said, can I please try it? It's a trial drug, and they started experimenting ironically in 2021 on this. Go figure. Right? And it is the I'm off I'm off the metoprolol. I'm off the ditiazem. I'm off all that stuff. I'm still on propranolol, still on my diuretics because I have congestive heart failure on top of it because of this, and I was perfectly healthy. But I also have that, Ehlers Danlos 12: syndrome. So you had that first. So okay. Listen. So you had POTS you had POTS before you knew you had POTS before COVID hit. If you have EDS, you already had POTS. You had it your whole life. Your body accommodated it. Now your dysautonomia is so bad that your symptoms are just not tolerable. And so you you you have had a POTS your whole life if you have Ehlers Danlos syndrome. T Bird, I just sent you the link to the EDS international conference. I was privileged to attend the doctor's conference for it in Europe sometime back. You're lucky it's on our continent, and I'm coming up to Canada anyway. So maybe you can try to get over there. 4: God oh, 5: shoot. God love you. I'm I just haven't I heard doctor, that's 12: I'll tell you, girl. Ehlers Danlos syndrome is the reason for all of your issues. POTS is just 1. POTS is irrelevant small symptom. Ehlers Danlos syndrome is the reason 1: for all of your issues. 2: T Bird, I can definitely speak to that. I have a sister who all 3 of her daughters and herself have Ehlers Danlos. And, you know, your body can accommodate that, but, you know, you add that shot injury on top of it, and it's just gonna send you into a spiral relative to, you know, your autonomic functions because, you know, it's it's the microclotting, the inflammation, the damage to the to the vasculature because you have neurovascular bundles. You know, your nerves and your blood vessels run together. And if you compromise the the blood flow and you have endothelial damage, of course, you're gonna have neurologic damage because it's not those autonomic nerves aren't getting oxygenation and blood flow. And and neuro neurologic damage is neurologic damage. So and it's affected every organ, so you can bet that it's affected you on a microvascular level, where that runs alongside the nerve. So, you know Absolutely. 12: And Girl, I can't tell who's talking because there shows, like, 4 speakers are talking, but whoever just said that is so correct. Because you have EDS, you probably also have MALS, median accurate ligament syndrome. 2: Yep. So 12: you're not getting correct blood flow to all of your organs anyway, and that has nothing to do with POTS. And so those things, what I did is I was like bed bound. I was in boot braces too. But learning I had EDS allowed me to address the EDS issues and just accept that I cannot keep any of my ribs in the socket and work with physical therapy to enable blood flow to my major organs. And now I can mask exceptionally well. 4: Kim. 12: And, you know, I've had to find a physical therapist with Ehlers Danlos syndrome to achieve this. 2: Thank you for saying that because I'm a PT. I'm a PT. I'm a physical therapist, and I have a sister and 3 nieces who have it. So, yes, everything you're saying is correct. And, 12: So you can vouch. Who who's who's talking? Who's the PTN? 1: That is Miriam speaking, and I just pinned a tweet from her from earlier in the space up in the nest so you can see her and follow her. She is just such a wealth of information, and I'm so glad you guys could connect. 12: Miriam, if you'll throw me a a note just telling me you're the PT because I'm not well organized on here, but I do look at DMs. But legit, I had the first few PTs that I went to once I learned I had Ehlers Danlos syndrome, that was the first time that I ever intentionally, in physical therapy, dislocated my hips. They told me they had EDS patients, but they didn't. And legit, that's why you cannot trust doctors unless they if you ask them if they have EDS patients, then you make them explain to you how they are and how they're doing, and you're gonna learn the doctor doesn't know how what EDS stands for. Like, they the the PTs are trained to have confidence. But if they haven't seen the gross dislocations and they don't understand, like, the bilateral tension requirements to hold the body together, then they, like because our we don't have proprioception, and we don't even know it because we rely on our ligaments until we're 40, and then we fall apart. So that's EDS. 2: Yeah. That that is so true, everyone, because that's why you may not know it when you're younger because when you're younger, your elastic tissues are just that. They're very elastic, and they rebound. But as you get older, you know, if you look at people who have wrinkles and you lose your elasticity, well, people with EDS can't afford to lose that elasticity because they already are hypermobile. They don't have as much elasticity as a normal baby, 1 year old, 2 year old, 3 year old. But, you know, because they are younger, it there's some elasticity there. And so the symptoms does be do become more much more obvious as you get older because you naturally lose your elasticity. Then you add a bioweapon that gets injected, and, it's a catastrophe. So, Tiburon, I'm really sorry to hear that you have that, but sounds like Kim is going to be a great resource, and I believe I understand Kim to say that that conference is actually coming to Canada. Did you say that, Kim? 12: Yeah. I'm gonna put the link actually below this chat. I had just sent it to her as well, but it is gonna be in Toronto in September. So I'm going, and, if you've never been before, it's then then you should go. You'll learn a ton. This is like the scientific doctors conference. They'll talk way over your head. You'll feel inundated, cry for 3 days afterwards, and then build your life anew. 2: Wow. T Bird, that is so I mean, that seems like a godsend for that to be in Toronto. I'm I'm so excited. That's great. 5: What are the chances that I wasn't I I didn't sometimes I miss the space, and I'm so grateful for everything I learned in your spaces. And you know what? I have to say, I didn't know I I I have not legally been diagnosed with this, of course, except until doctor what's her name? She's a homeopath now. She's a doctor, then she had a car accident. She's wrote a book. She's really smart. And it begins with an a, I think. Amalia? A brain fart. Anyway Doctor Aranda. Aranda. Aranda. Doctor Aranda. Doctor Aranda. She was describing Allardamos in a space, and I the whole time you guys have heard me, I was a competitive gymnast. 12: Most people with EBS are like cheerleaders when they're young. Yep. 5: Yep. I was I was a competitive cheerleader for the Ottawa Roughriders. That like, I'm not kidding. So I could I could lay on my stomach easily. Everything I did was so hyper Fair enough. That no 1 I just thought it was it was fun. Right? It was fun to be better than everyone else at spending. 2: My maternal grandmother could bend over at 80 I forget how many years old she was and put her palms flatly on the floor, keep the knees pro I mean, she was hypermobile like crazy. Now I did not inherit that, but my sister and all 3 of her daughters did. So, you know, if you have someone in your family who likes to show off how mobile they are at an accelerated age, you are probably you're probably in a can a candidate to have EDS because it's just that's why it's so easy for them. And, also, the different teams, the gym gymnastics teams, the cheerleading teams, they look for people who are very flexible, who can get in those positions. So it's almost like a screening tool. If you if you were as a PT, it's almost a screening tool for me. Did you do gymnastics? Did you were you a cheerleader? Oh, okay. Yeah. And then you find all the other cardinal signs, and you can just about nail it before you even get all the diagnostic testing done. 5: It's true. I used to lay on my stomach, and I know you guys anyone who has this or know someone with it, I used to lay on my stomach up until I was 46 years old. I you guys saw the picture of me on my hardwood floor doing a full headstand in the Russian splits a day before I got my first shot. Like, that I ever I was so and, of course, just like you're saying, your grandmother. Right? I was like I was like, my son's take the picture. He's like, she's like, either you're weird. You're a retard. Right? And I'm like, well, I I just wanna prove that I can still do this at this age. But I used to be able to lay on my stomach and pull my ankles over my head onto the floor, you know, like those Chinese acrobats. And I would do that with ease. Like, it didn't. I could roll myself in circles like that in that position. And, yeah, it was so much fun because I could do it better than everybody else. 2: Gets it. Like, 12: I'm very competitive. 2: Said when I hear people saying, oh 0, it's you know, this is safe and effective across the you know? I don't care what it is. Every person brings something different to an intervention. And, therefore, the it should be an individual choice, and there should be, you know, screening and knowledge. Nothing should ever be applied universally to the human population ever because people are unique. Correct. 12: I was just providing, sports commentary there, but you're so correct. Because if you are hypermobile and you do abide by any of the stereotypical advice, you're likely to only maleducate and hurt yourself even more. Like T bird, what you said you can do, I guaran damn t you you have thoracic outlet syndrome. You can't even feel that you can't turn on your whole transverse abdominis at the same time. You can only turn on parts of it sometimes, but you can turn on all of it sometimes. But it's supposed to all turn on at the same time in normal people. Mhmm. Like, 5: what what does that mean? I I don't I'm just learning. Oh my god. This is the best space ever. 4: It is 1 of 2: the major muscles for core stability. It works with your pelvic floor muscles normally. And, again, it affects it can affect your breathing as well because it all of those make the all the different sides of diaphragm, pelvic floor, transverse abdominis, back extensors, and all your abdominals in the front. And if you can't, activate those in a coordinated way, it creates breathing issues. It creates, you know, core stability issues. Of course, you know, that's not something that you're going to necessarily look for when you're in things like gymnastics, cheerleading, and people aren't gonna be aware of that. So it's very important as it is with anything to know your own body, to make sure you have people who actually assess you instead of using protocols and pathways for treatment. This should never 12: We need to hire we need to hire Miriam to, like, come around and travel to us, but she's so correct. And I'll just I gotta say, girl, I did not even know that I couldn't I didn't know that I had spina bifida. Like, you might have it too. It's called a cult spina bifida. Mhmm. There's no indication of it. And so you might not even have full innervation to your core stabilizers in the first place, and you not even know it because your skin will test correctly on the outside of your body for nerve damage. And it's all coming from that big ligament that the that the liver hangs on. 4: Yep. 12: Because you that ligaments overstretched in you. 2: Yep. There's all kinds of issues you can have from the hypermobility because inside your peritoneum, there's ligaments that hold all your organ organs in their individual places. There's a 1 called the omentum, different omentums and things. So, I mean, there's all you could have problems with ileus and all kinds of other things. And an ileus is where your, you know, your gut doesn't propel the feces along and it gets twisted and not where it belongs. There's all these other systemic issues with this, which is why, again, I get my knickers in a serious knot when they start treating humanity like, oh, 1 size fits all because this is ridiculous. This should never happen. This is why we should have training and know how to properly assess people and not shove everybody into the same box. It is ridiculous. 1: And without the information that that Kim and Miriam just provided, people wouldn't even know I mean, obviously, the doctors aren't doing their due diligence and getting to the bottom of this on their own accord. And without this information, you wouldn't know what to ask your doctor to actually test for and to look for to identify what what's actually the cause of all of these symptoms. 2: So And and not to open another thing, but think about this. If this is the way that the current human people practice in the system, and if this is the way that the medical literature supports that practice, and if that medical literature from the journals is all being what's put into the AI systems and the AI systems are going to now diagnose you and treat you, do you really think, at least now, you can argue with a human being in front of you, and you can persist, and you can, you know 1: That is Miriam, that is such a good point because the the AI systems, they they're literally system. Their completion based on the data provided to them. Correct. Most likely. And we know that our hospital systems are wantonly killing, like, the the number 1 cause of of death is or number 2 maybe is is hospital mistreatment or malpractice. 2: Right. 1: So we know that they're not doing a good job to begin with, and that's the model that's going to be fed to the AI Right. To output the completions for these patients. It 4: really is 2: sold by the current HHS that a a AI and wearables and all these things are gonna improve our health. They're not. What's going to improve our health is educating ourselves, advocating for ourselves, getting ourselves healthy, and staying out of the current system based on that as much as possible. That's what's going to save us, and that's what's going to save humanity. 12: Yay. Just gotta chime in here 1 more time because it's just so prominent. So I used to do global HR. And, what most people don't realize is all of us work for AI anyways. It's already happening. And if you're corporate, it's already decisions made there. So to exit the system requires the ability to find doctors who know about this shit. Currently, all existing doctors are trained to kill 1 in 500 people. I had about 20 surgeries during my life before I got diagnosed with EDS, and in hindsight, all of them were done wrong. They advanced my mid face 2 times when I was a teenager through dentistry surgery, you know? Even though I didn't have that bad a teeth, they should have diagnosed me with craniocervical instability. So I want you to think about what it really does mean when Ehlers Danlos Syndrome wasn't in any books at all, no college medical training books at all until last year, and now it's only in the books for 1 medical school in the entire United States Of America. Yet 1 in 500 people have this disease. So, you know, the the the the the way that this the reason that this works like this is because, initially, people in a career gathered together and created some form of union to change the government and protect their career. That's why a lot of us are last names like shoemaker and bookmaker and crap because that's what we did for a living. So the health in in every single state in The United States Of America, as far as I can find, I've only looked up about 20 of them because I was traveling around for care. But if you report medical malpractice to the medical board, they have no legal requirement to reply to you at all. They only have a legal requirement to tell you that they got the report. They have no legal requirement to inform you if they do or do not investigate because doctors got together and got and made these professional associations just like unions. It's how they work, and they got these laws put in place. My concern is that there is no uproar at all anywhere 1: on the Internet. 4: What is that law called? 12: It it's it's not a law. It's just policy. It's the government looks to the state medical association. 4: You just said law. So 6: Yes. What it is is you would 4: want to change that. I need information. 12: The to chain if to change it would require the people in the job to change the association. So these professional associations got absorbed into government infrastructure over time. And so now we look at them as government infrastructure, but they never were. They were independent associations that got absorbed. And I've never seen anyone at all on x say anything about the fact that they went to there to go report medical malpractice and the and and and we're told that they're not allowed to have a response. Here in Oklahoma, when you walk into the the building to the medical board, there's a little flyer out front, and it says it. You can take a flyer. They they will they they don't allow you into the building. They'll only meet you in the lobby and accept your complaint. So I figured that's probably the same in most states. 2: Yeah. 12: But everybody's shouting on the Internet. Nobody's orchestrated really affecting change. 4: You're 12: It's none of y'all fault. We're all just victims of the system as it is. 2: 100%. That's my point. And j you know, Jayco works the same way. If you if you if you, submit a a Jayco complaint or any kind of complaint to the hospital organization, all they're gonna do is acknowledge they got it. That there's no force of law to hold any of of those institutions and organizations, accountable. 12: It's, it's you have to be able to afford a lawyer, and you can go do it yourself. It's the you have the freedom to prosecute, but it requires funding. 2: Right. And that's the same problem we're having, with any cases with you know, as with my spouse. You have to fund it yourself, and then they they are these big hospital, you know, corporations that have multiple lawyers. They can string you along for years. And when they win, because so far, that's what's happening with the few people who have sued personally, civilly, then you end up paying the court costs. So, you know, the justice system is not justice system. It's a legal system. 3: And, Miriam, can I add to just to your point for a second there before you go on? There is a cap on it also. 2: Right. There's caps depending on your state law. Yes. 2. And that's why lawyers will not take the cases because they see a cap, and they're like, wow. It's gonna cost twice that just to put on the case. So it comes down to the finances of the situation as well, which takes us right back to how do you avoid being in that situation. The way you avoid being in that situation is advocating and making sure that for yourself to teach yourself. What know your body. Find somebody you can trust. Know some find somebody like him who's been there and done that. Avail yourself of that knowledge and start working on getting your healing that way because you're not going to typically find it in the allopathic medical system. You're just not. And we and, generally, the public has been led to believe through the propaganda and the TV shows that you're gonna walk into a doctor's office and they're gonna go, oh, yeah. We got you. We know exactly what no. When you have these kind of issues in your health, typically, it's years, sometimes decades before you get a diagnosis. And then once you get a diagnosis, you know what you get? You get Band Aids. You get pharma that treats symptoms. You don't get root cause treatment. So, again, and I've been there and I've done that. I've been in the system since I was 2 years old. I was born with cerebral palsy. It was a fight my entire life to get the care. It took 2 years for them to figure out that I wasn't catching up on my milestones, and I had a brother who was 13 months younger than me. I could not sit up. He was sitting up and walking around, and they're still telling my mother that, oh, she's just behind because she's premature. This is the system that we're dealing with, and this was the system before COVID even came. And now it's worse by magnitudes. So I'm just telling you guys. I'm not trying to scare you. I'm telling you that realistically, you have to take responsibility for your own health. Seek out people who already been in the system and who've learned something because those are the people who, in their suffering, have learned enough to help you or to get you to where you can be helped. 1: Kim, go ahead. You can respond to that, and then we'll go to Catherine. 12: All I can say is she's correct. And that, really, if you want to survive, you have to consider your money. I pulled out all of my savings to travel the country to visit the right doctors. So don't just visit the doctor because you have to visit the competency. That's it. 2: Yep. And the only way you're really gonna know about their competency is finding people who've been there and done that. And you don't wanna do it you don't wanna do it by wandering around till you find the right 1 because by the time you get there, they're gonna suck you dry. The system's gonna suck you dry. And this all relates to COVID in the fact that without supporting our own health and becoming educated and knowledgeable, we're going to be victims again of this system. I I promise you. So you need to become your own best advocate now and get to know your own body and start taking care of it. 1: And you hear the urgency in Miriam's voice. That's because this is critical. This is life or death. Your, listening, being informed, doing your own research, and most importantly, being prepared is is really a life or death issue, and and we know that firsthand. 2: And do you remember last thing I'm gonna get on my soapbox about. Do you remember that they actually said don't do your own research? Do you remember that? 1: Don't go down that rabbit hole. Doing your own research is dangerous. You know? Listen to the experts. Trust the experts who say this is extremely rare and that these products are safe and effective for most people. And and, you know, don't mind the sensors who are mitigating anyone who says anything to the contrary. It was it was, I mean, it's crimes against humanity. That is crimes to to they're not allowed to experiment on a population. They're not allowed to to mandate, ex still yet mandate experimental drugs on the entire world, which is what they tried to do. No 1 is safe until everyone is safe. That meant a jab in every single arm. And we saw how they penalized and persecuted and shunned and slandered and mocked those who refused to comply and said they shouldn't even be entitled to go to the hospital. What was it? 12: Hey. Those of us, just so you know, those of us that didn't have the VAX card and were already patients at Hopkins, they had security physically remove us from the building, and then they implemented, a check upon walking up to the front door so that you couldn't even enter the building even if you were a patient. 1: Wow. Mhmm. Wow. 2: And this is the same Johns Hopkins who sponsored and was a major role in event 2 0 1. 12: They had to choose that school because it's the preeminent treatment facility for the disease that the vaccine causes 2: Exactly. 1: As well as the the the 12: I mean, the the the infection causes it, but the vaccine causes it to, you know 4: Yeah. 2: I mean, it is it's the classic racket, create the problem, Reaction, solution, profit off of the problem, reaction, solution while humanity suffers. It is, that is the system we're dealing with. 1: And after telling us Hey. 2: You know 1: Go ahead, Kim. 12: I gotta go back to listener because I gotta get ready to go. But you know what really gives me, like, solace and, like, I can sit back and laugh at the horror is that realistically realistically, if you look at history, none of us should have been able to read just the not because, you know, power is knowledge and knowledge is power, and all the info used to be kinda kept at the Temple Mount, so to speak. You know, you could maybe read enough to know if, you were gonna buy a hamburger or a French fry because they use pictography. But we at least now can know. Right? Before, we couldn't. And these tests are done endemically in other countries. Like, 3 fourths of the crap that USAID was doing was also handing out food that had medication in it so they could measure the population that died in a city because that's what we do as America. And, it's sad as hell, but we all know it. So, anyhow, thank you. I'm gonna go back to listener for a minute and leave. Bye. 2: Thank you, Kim. That's been great. 1: Yeah. Thank you so much for coming on. We do this every Saturday, and I hope to see you again next week. Oops. Catherine, you dropped back down to listener. I am sending you mic, but if you don't get it, just request again, and we'll get you back out here. Catherine, is a protocol widow who is missing her husband, Tom. And and I I know I echo her sentiments when I say, how dare they? How dare they have implemented these policies, protocols, and mandates at the expense of so many families and without debate or consensus and against all logic and common sense and reason, against all of the practices that had come before. Just throw everything out the window, tell people to, to come back when they can't breathe. And then when they do come back and and they're having issues breathing, subject them to these deadly protocols. Welcome back, Catherine. How are you doing tonight? 4: Can you hear me? 1: I can. 4: Yeah. Thanks. Yeah. I don't have much to say, but, yeah, I gave my life to medicine. And, yeah, they killed my husband. 1: There are so many former nurses among us who who saw this done to their husband, and I think that's probably because Yes, sir. Because of your experience as a medical professional, you knew that what you saw being done to your husband was wrong, where most people might not have realized that. 4: I think anything with, common sense could see it. But I'd love to see those, 13: other RNs. 4: Sorry. I'm having a hard time. 1: Take your time, Catherine. It's good to see you. 4: Okay. I'll I'll check them out. 2: We might have I don't hear any background sound on Catherine now. I think she may have speaker may have she might have mute herself again or having sound problems. So, just wanna say if anybody else would like to share their story, it you know, there's so many different aspects of these crimes against humanity. It's you know, my husband was a hospital protocol victim, but there were so many people that suffered. I know you guys have probably seen in the headlines where people were denied transplants for not getting the shot, people with shot injuries, people who survived the protocols, very rare, but, they also were victims. And we have a whole variety of people in the database. So no matter what you think, you most likely have experienced it as well. There were people who their careers were taken away from them because if they didn't get the shot, they wouldn't accept them. You know, they wouldn't let them come back to the university. There's so many different ways that people were harmed. So don't think your story is too small or not related. We wanna hear from you. Catherine may be back with us. Are you there, Catherine? I see that you're 4: Oh, yeah. My mic was on. I didn't know that. But, anyway, I just wanna say the sorrow is so deep. It's hard to explain. 2: Yes. It is overwhelmed with the with the loss of the person that you're supposed to. And 4: also bliss. Yeah. 2: It is. And then you also look at what's been done to the world, and you don't even have that person here with you to cope with that. It is it is overwhelming. 4: Well, I was taught a lot of coping, but I'm a nurse. So, yeah, it's pretty ugly. Pretty ugly, the world. Yeah. 2: Yeah. It truly is. And, Catherine, we're so glad that you're here. And 4: Thank you. 12: You know just 4: know that we have time up. Thanks. 2: Alright. I see that we have another hand up, Chelsea. I didn't know 1: Marco, go ahead. Yeah. 11: Hi, everyone. First of all, sorry for my English. I'm Italian. I live in Italy, and I'm listening to you. And I'm so sorry for people who have problem before 4: of 11: this terrible vaccine, which isn't wasn't it's not vaccine at all. I think that we are living the 1 of the darkest time of humanity because I think that what's happened with this weapon named COVID, it's also 4: I 11: don't know how can I explain exactly my idea in in English, but it's, it's something that is connected with our soul too? No. It's something that try to kill the fundamental of your life. No. They destroy family. They try to destroy your relationship between, a mother and and and and and a son. You know? I know personally people who with parents who get jab and and other part of family don't, and they even fight argue sorry. Not fight. Arguing because they can't met for for Christmas time. You know? I mean, all those time, all those crime against humanity, it keep going on silently because people die every day because of consequence of the jab. In, like, completely silence, media cover up everything. In Italy, there are there was some doctors who help and cure even all the people full of disease without follow the the, indication of, government. You know? Our indication was, if you have COVID, take paracetamol and stay home. And those doctor, of course, help those people with antibiotics, and they cure everyone. No 1 of these people go to hospital. And the results of this great work was that they are no doctor anymore because Italian system erased their name from the from the doctor list. You know? So if you have something that kill that is killing people, a a new virus that's killing people, and you have a doctor who cure everyone, you must ask to this doctor what you use, which medicine you give to to people. No. They try to silence the work of the of this doctor. Forgive my English guys, but, I tried to share with you my experience. I'm 52 years old. I lost my job because I refused to to get vaccine. I was not able to take a bus, to go to cinema, to go to public place. I was treated like, oh my god, so bad, and I can't forget. And they can't forgive, and they can't forget. I I see wrong thing everywhere. You know? I see sometimes I have sensation that I don't belong to this planet. Not because I'm better than anyone else or something, but because my soul doesn't match this reality. You know? We call friends someone who live, on the other side of the world, which we never met, and, we completely ignore our neighbors who whom is almost starving. You know? I we lost humanity. We have no heart anymore. We are selfish. We think only about money. I don't know. I really don't like this humanity, and all this this, like Facebook and TikTok and so on are made for completely separate your mind from reality. You see a bunch of Can 4: I say something here? Because I feel Sorry. 11: Sorry. I'm talk I'm Italian. I'm to talk. 4: You. I I I have a heart, and I think many people do. And I think, you're seeing with the governments, and I have a heart. 2: Oh, 0, I guess we had a issue there too. I just wanted to say, Markoff, thank you for sharing that, especially from your side of the world because it supports what we're saying, that this happened globally. And, I really appreciate you telling your story. It shows that this was not isolated to 1 place. This was a coordinated effort. Your your rights are to divide people, to, cause us to lose much of our humanity. That was their plan. And I do think that that is starting in a bigger way to backfire on them, because now people can see. And I think that people are starting to do what you're doing, coming, joining together with people even from all around the world and realizing what is happening. As, the lady said earlier I'm blanking on her name. I'm sorry. She said, you know, that's the thing. Knowledge is power. And if we share that knowledge and we unite together, we're going to beat them. 1: You know If I recall correctly, a lot of this started in Italy, did it not, that Italy was 1 of the first western nations to experience a so called COVID breakout, and they had the protocols ready to go. Did they not? 11: Yeah. You you know, another thing that really touched me and make me think is that can you name 1 disease which you, crossover? I mean, you you get if you have diabetes, you have to take pills or jabs for diabetes all your life. If you have heart problem, you have to drink cap all your life. You know? You you are not a patient. You're a client for, for big pharma. They need a client. You know? 4: Dollar sign. 11: Sorry? 4: A dollar 11: Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And, I see family. In Italy, when someone die in hospital from COVID, family can see can see the body of father, of mother, of son, daughter. You know? It was forbidden. You it was terrible. It was terrible. And 4: Can you can you clarify that? That's very interesting to me as a brand. It's very interesting. So Didn't you see the body? 11: No. You can't see the body. You you you see only just a black, I don't like a black box. You know? Black pack. 2: Coffin. 11: Yes. Coffin. You you can't see the body. No autopsy at all. No explanation. No 1 say you nothing. I'm so sorry to inform you that your parents died today or something like this. You can't see. You can't do nothing. A lot of people, who lost parents or, have severe problems now, health problems, try to go to lawyer and ask if they can do something, for for have, money or for I don't know, for just even just for justice. You know? And it's you have to own a bank for go against those, those big pharma because when you when you, take a jab, you sign your name that you are, that you agree to take this jab. And so it's your your fault if you do jab. You know? And was, blackmail people you want to work? You have to get vaccination. If you don't show me that you have jab, you will not work anymore. And so when you have family and a child to feed, I understand that many people, was forced to do that, but the consequence are terrible. Terrible. I I decide I have I'm single. I have no 1. I just live with my mom. She's sick, and I care for her. And I fight as a lion for for protect my mom from jab and so on, and doctor push me. You have to do this jab because your mom is old and sick. No. No. No. No. No. No. Thank you. This is not, for my mom. This is not my cup of tea. Take your jab. Leave us alone. 4: You know, sometimes 13: we don't see 4: things, but, yeah, I think Oh, 2: we may have lost sound. Can everyone hear me? Can anyone hear me? 9: I I can hear you. 1: I thought I lost sound, Miriam. 2: Oh, okay. Well, once again, we can see that our gentleman from Italy and I'm sorry I'm not using your name. I don't want to mess it up. But, 11: I'm Miracles. 2: Miracles. Okay. Yeah. Miracles, You are you are just this is not to hear him tell this story is exactly what we hear. And he is in Italy, and yet the same thing happened here in The US. Even insofar as, you know, in my husband's case, I was not allowed to bring his body home from 1 state to the other. 11: The same. Yes. 2: They would not allow me to transport his body. I had to have him cremated to bring the body home. I mean and right there is another way that they destroy the evidence of what was done. What time? And so, again, you know, it it's clear that this was not about any benefit to humanity. This was about them getting the shots in place because, you know, if enough people die in the hospitals and die, quote, from COVID and, you know, you you get rid of the bodies and you don't get to see the bodies, then you can build the case for, oh, we need an emergency vaccine. And when you do that, then you can make $200,000,000,000. And and that's exactly what they were doing, and it is it's horrific. And I'm sorry I interrupted you, Meredith. Keep keep telling your story. 11: You know, I just tell you an example of why I feel so bad in this society. We have, the coast of Italy full of gas, full. We can't drag this gas and use this gas for our nation because Europe don't want. Can you imagine? It's like you have a lemon tree in your garden, but you can't eat your lemon and you are forced to go to buy to the store. This is Europe. You know? This is not, something that concern about people. It's not something about left side or right side of politics. This is to be idiot or normal. Nothing more. If I have gas, why should I go buy to another from another country? You know? This is Europe. It is all about such huge, huge level of stupidity. And if they do something like this with the gas, can you imagine what they can do with your life? They don't care about people at home. They just care about profit, money, controlling you. This is all about, our life become crazy, really crazy. 1: It is because they're trying to alter without debate or consent. 11: But let me let me tell you just 1 thing and the last thing. If you will, help him with English, I promise I come to make the best Bolognese of your life. 2: Oh, I tell you. I've been in Italy, and they do have the best Bolognese of our of our lives. For sure. 11: I'm just joking. Thanks again for letting me speak. 1: Thanks again 11: for for my English. 1: Oh, not at all. And, again, we do this every Saturday night. We would love to have you next back again next week. Julie, I'm I'm excited to see what you've been doing. You you went and, actually spoke at Ron Johnson's recent thing. Go ahead and tell us all about it. Good to see you. 6: Good to see you guys too. I saw Catherine in here. And, yeah, you know, it's exhausting. I, for those that don't know me, I'm, Julie out in Chico in Butte County, vaccine injured, 2021. I actually worked at the mass vaccination clinics, helping pass out syringes to, you know, the tune of 200 an hour because I was lied to by the establishment here in Chico and in Butte County, the Butte County Public Health Department, etcetera. And, yeah, and I got injured. I've got microangiopathy and tinnitus, and I've had 3 detached retinas. So, yeah, it's a it's a hell that I endure every day. And I was forced to quit that job at NLO that I loved, when in 2022, they wanted me to take a booster and I said no, and they forced me to, again, quit my, you know, career. And I woke up that next day after I, you know, made that decision, and I was fighting mad. I was pissed. You know, who who just did this to me, right, and my community? And by then I had really kinda come to learn and been red pilled about all these lies around the globe, like, was that was just discussed and, found out that there were murders happening at NLO here in Chico on remdesivir, Catherine's husband being 1 of them. And, yeah, I'm not gonna let that go. So I started going to my county because the counties are the ones that, you know, administer these products. They get these EUA, poisons from the state, whether it's the remdesivir or the barcinetinib or the vaccines, whatever. They get it. They store it. They administer it. They pay for it, etcetera. So I started pounding on Butte County, at, you know, board of supervisors who are elected to protect the public. And, I started doing that in 2022 for 3 and a half years getting nowhere. Watching Javier Becerra come into Chico, March 2022 because our parents were vaccine hesitant. He literally put in, you know, came to Chico himself and had pediatricians that they selected go to NLOW with our supervisors in private meetings without the public being invited, without the media being invited, without our state senators and congressmen being invited, and, came up with a plan on how to get more children of Chico specifically vaccinated. And they started running little vaccine clinics all around, all around Chico. And, I did a FOIA request. I have proof. All the emails, all the documentation, the the proof that February is what they wanted to pay to get more children shot with poison here in Chico. So that was 2022. My mom died from 4 shots, 08/15/2022 on vacation, perfectly healthy woman. I knew the vaccines killed her. I had her vaccine card with me, and, they called it SADS, sudden adult death syndrome. I told the coroner that day that Monday when he told me that, I said, you mean, like, SIDS? Like, these SIDS babies that I now know are vaccine deaths? You're now calling my mom a vaccine death. It just proves it. So but, again, it's, it was just that, you know, point in time where nobody wanted to listen. My brother, you know, flew out there and had her cremated, the whole nonsense story. But they're holding her tissues in her labs, which I need to get over to Italy to prove with histology that, you know, the vaccine killed her. But filed various reports for both of us, filed the CIPP claim for my mom, and still was fighting mad at the county. And, 2023, started fighting at the California State Board of Pharmacy because pharmacies have no business administering shots of poison in the stores. It's just literally so much death and destruction happening at our pharmacies. So I've been going there for a year and a half, pushing information into the public record. 2024, I met up with Ronald f Owens junior who muzzled truth.com. He's another whistleblower here from the Department of Public Health at the state and he came to Butte County and I heard him speak and tell our supervisors what Javier Becerra said about, you know, vaccines are killing people. And I went, okay. I'm done with this Butte County not okay. I'm going on the road with Ron. So Ron and I, I joined him October 2024 and started traveling all over the state of California. I've been to 28 now counties, putting into the public record, putting into the the ether that these shots are poison. They're not jabs. I'm tired of calling them jabs. That's like a that's like a funny term. They're shots out of a gun. It's Russian roulette. And, but I've been going to all these counties, and we we're making a difference. I will tell you that. But I will push my way into any place where I can get a voice to represent me, Catherine, get at AMLO, get at the Butte County public health department, get it, you know, State of California, get it whoever at the national level. You know, I wasn't invited to DC, but I saw the flyer, and I said I'm on a plane. And so I I didn't wasn't, you know, given a chance to actually speak. It was a little more of a, it was a hearing for more of all of the childhood vaccines that have killed kids, but I was there to meet people, which I did. I shook Ron Johnson's hand. He's got my testimony that I put in writing. Senator Bernie Moreno from Ohio is the newest senator that's on our side. He's demanding answers. So please look up senator Bernie Moreno. He was 1 that I heard from that day that gave me hope. I did an interview with Mike Lindell's TV, to share my story. And, yeah, you know, it's whatever I need to do, I will push my way into any place, and it's uncomfortable. It's exhausting. You know, it's financially draining, but I don't care. It's my life now. It's my hill. So, so, yeah, I put a couple little videos down below. I was in Florida the week 2 weeks before where again I said, please let me speak. Please let me tell my truth. And, fortunately was able to do that next to lieutenant colonel Pete Chambers who also was shot with Moderna. So, yeah, at least the stories are getting out there. I did an interview on Friday with Children's Health Defense, the defender, so that, again, Enloe and all of the, you know, doctor Marsha Nelson, doctor Andy Miller, Danette York, all of the criminals here in Butte County are held to account in writing. And so, I don't care what it takes. And, yeah, I've been ostracized, kicked out of every club here in Chico. They wanna mock me, ridicule me, but I don't care. It's we're doing it for the kids. We're doing it for the future. I'm doing it for my mom for sure. And, and yeah. So thank you for having these meetings every Saturday night. They're super meaningful. And, and again, it's something that we just need to keep keep going. I I I'm hoping there's justice 1 day. You know, it's it feels like it's never gonna come, but I think, you know, I'm hopeful. So, anyway, thank you ladies for letting me up and speak, and I just wanted to say hello again to my girl, Catherine. Thank you. 1: Thanks so much, Julie, and thank you for all you're doing to help raise awareness about what's going on and prevent this from happening to other people like it happened to you and your mom. And it's worth noting, Julie, if you if you didn't catch it, she was actually working at 1 of the clinics administering these shots when she when she realized through experience that they were very harmful and started raising alarms, bringing it to her attention of her supervisors, and thought that they would take action Just like I thought when I I started trying to raise awareness about ivermectin and that it was a a bioweapon way back in early 20 20, I thought, you know, that would be of interest to people. And instead, she was, I believe, relieved of her duties and and slandered just as just as we've all been. Anyone who's been trying to raise awareness about these things has been mocked, slandered, minimized, suspended, so many times, and it's it's so wrong. And I'm glad I'm so glad you're finding platforms to get the word out. I I believe no matter how small the venue, you know, no matter how small the space, it is worth doing because every single story is critically important to the public record. And and, really, when they all add up, it it does present an incontrovertible pattern of evidence that should be alarming to most people and and should be well enough to to stop these experimental programs. Miriam? 2: Yes. And when you think about it this way, 900 stories published, 1,300 in the queue total. So think about that as compared to the swine flu vaccine in 1976. I always get the it was not mid to late 19 seventies. They pulled that puppy with 56 injuries. So so compare that just from our database alone. I mean, don't even I mean but go look at theirs too. I mean, we're in 5 figures. 5 figures of reports, baseline, minimum. Okay? And people always wanna say, well, you know, that's that's just a report. Hey. It's a safety signal. It's a safety signal. They only had 56 in 1979. So So I'm not gonna argue with anybody, those stupid thing, correlation versus causation. I don't care. It's a safety signal. If there's that many in the Verus system, Verus only picks up 1%. 1%. So there is no excuse for the fact that these items remain on the schedule. And I don't care who's at HHS. That's the truth. They should not be on that schedule. 1: And regardless of the VAERS standards and protocols, because they always say, oh, VAERS is just anecdotal. Anyone can submit a story. It doesn't mean anything because they have to go investigate and validate each story, which I'm told by those documenting the stories that they rarely, if ever, do, and then they drag their feet the whole 3: way. Right. 1: That if you just look at the charts of of Verisk going back into history, you see this tremendous spike in 2020 and and subsequent well, as soon as they rolled out these experimental products. 3: Mhmm. 1: So Yeah. I I can't believe that that isn't enough of a signal to pull them and and that they're still rolling out new ones, but now with smaller spike. 2: Exactly. It it again, it defies logic, if nothing else, because what what standard changed between 56 people and now 5 figures worth of people and more reports in that VAERS database than all other vaccines combined for the last 30 years? I mean, the logic 1: is that only defies logic if you assume the best intentions of those implementing these policies. 2: The logic tells you that it's a choice to ignore it. They know the truth, but that's not their plan. Their plan is to leave it there because their purpose is to do what we were just discussing, make billions and depopulate. And that's just the fact. It's horrific. Nobody wants to believe it. You know, it nobody it's not a comfortable thing to see, but the truth is the truth. 1: And they say it out loud at their own public meetings, and they record it. They're not even ashamed. 2: Oh, yeah. I mean yeah. Listen to, I'm trying to think of his name. Andrew. Cannot think of his last name. Met oh, Meadows. It's it's Dennis Meadows. Excuse me. Dennis Meadows. His little spiel on video is, oh, we want we want it to be gentle and peaceful when we depopulate. 1: Yep. And 9: and change it all. It's civil and peaceful. 1: Sorry. Go ahead, Kath. 9: No. I'm sorry. It's civil and peaceful. He he says we need a civil and peaceful depopulation. 1: Exactly. Famously said that if she could do any 1 thing, if she had 1 wish, she would, without causing any suffering, dramatically reduce the the population. And it's that kind of mindset that you could eliminate millions of people without causing any suffering that is really emblematic of the problem. They don't value individual lives. They don't value individual stories. And they don't think that they think that they could eliminate millions of people without causing anyone else to suffer as if those lives don't have meaning and importance to the world and to other people and all of those who who are around them. I thought I saw you trying to say something, Miriam. 2: Oh, no. But, I think Julie does have her hand up. 6: Go ahead. 9: Can I just say real quick? I put it in the pill for you guys so you both can so you all can listen to what Miriam and Chelsea just said about those speakers. 6: Yeah. I tell you that that Put the video. Guy sounds like so Ezekiel Emanuel. So the Emanuel brothers. Right? Kind of about the Obama era. So Ezekiel Emanuel was the 1 who created the the Obamacare not, you know, nightmare that, we have to live live under. And he was then part of the White House task force. And he's a eugenicist that go literally go z Ezekiel, Zeke, whatever, man Emmanuel, all over YouTube. He believes that after the age of 50, life serves no purpose. Literally, life serves no purpose. He's got this little, like, bell shaped curve that if you're under 15, over 50, then you're you need to kinda really, you know, be, if you're not healthy, you need to go. And so I know he's behind this protocol program, the hospital protocol program. But, you know, with I wanted to go back to this there. So, yeah, when I entered my report now my report when I entered it was, you know, it was kind of far after the fact because it, you know, you can only get 20 minutes to enter in the system. It was a pain in the ass but I, you know, I got I buckled through it because anybody that's been vaccinated, you should be filing a report because you probably have some health issues and I look at it like a criminal database. But, at that point in 2021, I mean, there were there were like there were so many reports, millions of reports getting filed. They had to bring in a bunch of temps, like 6,000 temp like out of out of a temp agency to try to go through them. So I knew mine wasn't gonna get much much much, much you know thought. But, my mom's when she died August 15, literally September 7 is when I did a video tape with Albert Benavides and we entered her report. So 2 weeks later, I mean, you can see me crying. It was so hard, but I had her vaccine card and I thought, by God, I'm sure that sending in this information, I put her coroner's phone number, I put the state of Wyoming pathologist phone number. And I said, and I put in all the information. And, and September 9, they did publish it back out. So it's on the public record, but not 1 phone call. And you I put in my email, I put in my address, I put in my phone number, again, with along with the corner and the and the pathologist. Not 1 email, not 1 condolence, not 1 phone call, not nothing. 0 I mean, I wrote Rossell Wilensky, who's the head of CDC at that point. I said, are you for real? Seriously, I know you're getting, like, millions of reports here, lady, and you and you're probably overwhelmed. I don't know how you organize your review process. I mean, do you have a department by Pfizer, a department by Moderna, a department by J and J, a department by Merck and Sanofi because they're still they're still getting reports for all the childhood vaccines. Right? I'm like, or are you doing it by outcome? Like, do you have a whole separate department just looking at the death reports? That would be my recommendation. But again, not a word. Right? What was even, you know, more interesting for me is so I filed her CICP claim. So again, the CICP program compensation, injury countermeasure injury compensation plan, which was set up for these EUA products. You have to file it within a year of your last countermeasure and within a year of the outcome. So I did. I'm like boom, I didn't know about it with mine because they don't tell you about the CICP program. So but I did with my with my mom's. And they're the ones that started to it's through the HRSA under Kennedy. They started asking for information like give me her her, any primary care doctor data, her her her, medical records for the past 2 years. So and there's 4 over 14,000 reports that are over in this HRSA unit that don't make it over back over to the CDC for ACIP purposes or whatever. And on most of them, I mean, only 15 I think have ever been finally paid, or 115. I can't remember. But, and my mom's still hung up in the process and, like, you know, tried to get her congressman to help me. But, that's where all the so so 4: I don't mean to 10: cut you off, 4: but where do you go to report this? 5: Sorry? 4: I don't mean to cut you off, 10: but where do you go 4: in to report these things? You said CSHP or 1: CICP and VAERS. Isn't that right, Julie? 6: Yeah. So there's 2 place so there's 2 places. So the VAERS system, which was set up as part of the 1986, childhood injury compensate, you know, the act that Ronald Reagan signed. So he said, look if if I'm gonna give immunity to these childhood vaccines, then I want a system set up where you have, you know, the people can report. Doctors must report if there's an injury by a vaccine. So they did that back in the 1986. So that's through the CDC. Go look at VAERS, v a e r s. You can call them to file a report and it is, you know, it's it's penalty of perjury. You could go to, you know, prison for felony if you do a false report etcetera. So there's 2700000.0 reports in this VAERS system total since the beginning of time. 1700000.0 are COVID. Now for for injury purposes, if you wanna file a claim for injury, there's 2 programs. 1 is for 1 is for the childhood vaccines which are not these EUA products. That's the v as in Victor ICP, the Vaccine Injury Compensation Plan. There's lawyers across the country that get compensation for tetanus injuries or MMR or whatever. It's hard but there's a vaccine court. And, money's put out of every shot, I think 2% or something into that fund. When COVID, these EUA products came along, Congress had to say, well what do we do here? So they came up with a CICP claim program. It's like countermeasure injury because these are medical countermeasures. So and that's again both of these are administered by the HRSA arm of the HHS group. I think it's health I can't remember what HRSA stands for anymore. 4: I'm on the website right now. 1: Hold on. We got a couple of people trying to, talk at the same time and some crosstalk going. We'll go to Miriam and then Truth Teller. Go ahead, Miriam. 2: Yes. And, Truth Teller, you were asking for links. I put the link to CICP and to VAERS in the chat, since Julie mentioned both of them. And just for clarification Thank 4: you so much. 2: CICP is for the COVID shot injuries, CICP. VICP is for childhood injuries, so I did not put that link in there. And then Thank you so much. 4: I have so many people I can 2: share with you. And the VAERS is where you file your report of injury. CICP is where you file your claim for the injury. 1: And chbmp.org is where you document your story. And at chbmp.org, when you document your story about, vaccine injury or harm by mandates, you will be asked if you have documented your your story with, VAERS or CICP, and there are links, on that document page for you to do so if you have 4: Thank you all. Thank Thank you guys so much. I'm gonna go ahead and give this information to who I need to give 2: it to. You're welcome. Thank you, truth teller. 1: Julie, I still see your hand up. Go ahead. 6: Oh, no. I'm done, hon. Thank you so much for letting me speak, and thank you, Truth, for asking all those questions. I'll put the video of me and Albert Benavides. He's welcome to Eagle. He does verizonware.com. I'll put our our video when I you can watch us walk through my, you know, entering my mom's, verizon report because it was meant to also be a tutorial of sorts and so you can see how to prepare for it and what you need to to to be ready to do it because you have 20 minutes, you're on the clock. And so we give some helpful tints and you helpful hints and you don't wanna miss any, you know, boxes or check marks and you can actually see us go, wow, what did this what happened here? We need to go back. Why was this 1 not checked? So it's a very helpful video. And Albert's an amazing man, and you guys all know who he is. 1: Yep. Albert is doing some amazing work helping to ensure that this can't be memory hold or downplayed or forgotten by really making sense of of the data in Verus, and and we really appreciate what he does and all that you're doing, Julie. Thanks for coming. If anybody else would like to share your experience with COVID policies, protocols, or mandates, that's what we're here for every Saturday night. Just hit the mic icon in the bottom left hand corner of your screen, and we will bring you up. There is no 1 on request right now, so I invite the panel to talk amongst yourself. If you're are if you're on mic, go ahead. Share your thoughts on what we've discussed so far. 0: I would like to echo what Julie was talking about. She was mentioning, senator Moreno out of Ohio. Anybody that takes the time, go to Children's Health Defense, their Rumble channel, or you can go to their main website. And on the now on the website, you would look for CHD TV because that's where you're gonna find all their video work. But if you go to Rumble, you can find it under children's health defense. You wanna see the vaccine injury hearing that Ron Johnson just had, and you can see mister Moreno, very clearly, make himself known. Now that is not the only time I've seen him. He apparently serves on that committee. And the last time, they did an actual COVID only vaccine hearing, and he was on fire. So you're right, Julie. He is somebody to follow and somebody to support, particularly if you you are in Ohio because that man is working his at least, his butt off. I mean, he is taking on Blumenthal, and Blumenthal is just a leading lunatic. 4: I have a quick question. He was 0: Go ahead. 4: You know, it wasn't all the time. How does how would 1, when they go and file for the countermeasures injury compensation program, how would they know that you had the injury after getting the shot? 14: Because they look at your your bill I guess, the vaccination. And then if you have some problem 0: Yeah. I think that's that's a conversation he's having in 1: Yeah. In his 0: yeah. That's okay. Because she's explain or she or he is explaining it to him. And I guess we probably should be more accurate. When you are applying to, you know, to VAERS or you go to vaccine court, just a heads up, Doctor Brian Hooker in last week's, vaccine hearing. It was 16 years from the time they filed suit until they got to court, then they were not allowed to speak, and then the case was dismissed. 1: So 0: you don't have a whole lot of guarantees. And, Julie, I think you're right. I think it's 15 have been paid out based on the conversation from that hearing the other day out of however many hundreds of thousand. 9: Yeah. So it's the government defending the government. So they're fighting you. 0: Right. 9: Your taxpayer dollars are fighting for them to fight against you. 0: That's why they they established that fund. And the and and just so you know, if you decide that you want to sue them directly, your your filing will be against the HHS secretary, not against the manufacturer of that drug, whatever that drug might be on for the vaccine. So you would be currently, you would be, filing suit against, Kennedy. And, yeah, it's literally the way it's done. And there are, attorneys who specialize in vaccine court because it is so complicated. Just these are the thoughts that you need to remember. This is the reason that they fought so hard to get FDA, CDC, whoever it is, I think it's FDA, to make sure that this was designated as a vaccine because of the extra protections. Sorry. I've got my animals are all upset because I've got a major thunderstorm, and they almost got into a fight underneath of my chair. 2: Well, and that's also the reason why they changed the definition of vaccine so that they could make it fit that definition and then be able to be protected under that same strategy. 0: Yep. Exactly. And they'll 2: change it again if they need 0: to. Yep. Exactly. 9: They'll change it again if they need it to beat you in court. They'll change it again if they need to for any reason. Mhmm. 4: And so these are community experts, right, that people think. 1: And if you look at SEC Moderna's SEC filings for July 2020, you see them lamenting that the FDA considers what they called at that point investigational medicines. Can FDA considered them, gene therapies. And so they couldn't bring them to market, and there was all this, you know, oh, there's gonna be decades of testing before we can even get in the black because we've spent so much researching these investigational medicines. 4: Mhmm. 1: And then low, you know, this this novel virus gives them the perfect pretext to suddenly do that when they redefine vaccines, to include gene gene therapies, and they don't even have to be efficacious. They don't have to prevent infection or transmission anymore. It was some amazing slide of hand. 2: Really was. And you gotta realize, they these companies get investors, and they market to these investors. Look. We've got this great new technology. This great you know, that's what they're saying. It's been around for a while, but that's what they say to them. And they say, you know, look. We can we can get this to market in at lightning speed, and it's gonna do this, and it's gonna do that. And they take in all this money, and then they're gonna change any definitions they have to change. They're going to play any games they have to play to get that protected legally, so that they can recoup. They can make money. They can pay their investors, and they can put money in their own pocket to the tune of $200,000,000,000. 1: And in this case, I think it wasn't even just about money. It was also a tremendous power grab, and that's why they allowed a lot of this to go on. 2: Oh, yeah. It was a it was a it was a triple winner for them. Money, power, depopulation. It was, you know, it was a win win win literally for them. 1: And the most massive transfer of wealth that we've seen in our lifetimes. 2: Mhmm. Exactly. And, people also forget that by reducing the population, the government has a whole lot less liability for retirement, Social Security. I mean, again, win win win for them. 4: Excellent point. 9: There's a lot of seniors that are gonna be needing Social Security pretty soon. Yep. 1: Yep. And we know that is weighing heavily on on every every administration has to decide where are they gonna gut Social Security? Are they gonna be the ones to take that hit? Because it would be tremendously unpopular. And go back to the times when, you know, old people were eating dog food. 2: So the simple solution for them is, hey. Let's have another pandemic. You know, make sure you reduce the population. Make sure you push the vax to go with it, which further reduces the population and problem solved for them. 9: And then you get rid of 13: all the disabled people and 9: the veterans, and you don't have to support very much in the veterans hospital either. 2: Exactly. I mean, again, there there's For them, it's a multifaceted win, but it's not a win for humanity at all. 1: Catherine, go ahead. 4: And it's what we pay into many years. You know? Yeah. So that they get to, collect on us and kill us. 1: Right. That's something that's been touched on several times in this conversation, but it I don't know if the point has been made strongly enough that it was our own. In all of these instances, it is our own money fueling this attack on us, whether it is our tax dollars going to USAID or to experimental gain of function research or to these big pharma companies that pump out these vaccines, so called vaccines. They are all doing it on our dime. So we are we're really facilitating our own demise, and that is just insult to injury. And it will 4: I I I didn't the power 1: to stop it. Go ahead, Kathy. 4: I I didn't, agree to that. So but they kept taking it out of my paycheck. So how do we end that? 1: Well, I mean, hopefully, Social Security being a unique case from from USAID and the rest of it. I I think, hopefully, Social Security will continue to be there for those who need it. 4: Yeah. Because they can't do that obvious. 1: Because they like you said, they've taken it. It's not just, you know, it's not a social. It is you paid into that entire life with every every job you had, everything you did, and you are entitled to that money. So it really would be cruel and inhumane and and really unethical to deprive you of that when you need it. And and the rest of it, I I mean, the the the silver lining of the fact that all of this is being facilitated and financed with our tax dollars, the silver lining of that is that we have some say in how our tax dollars are spent, at least according to the foundation that our founders left us. And we shouldn't be able to influence or change that policy, and that's why we're here. 2: Julie has got her hand up, and we've got 1 other hand up. 1: Catherine, I think you're having mic issues. You you keep dropping out. I'm sorry about that. True Maga. Go ahead. 10: Oh, hey there. Yeah. And then the mask, everybody's still wearing them. Not everybody, but I'm starting to see masks again. And just the whole thing, we didn't even, like, pass the test of, no. We're not gonna wear masks just because you tell us to wear a mask, you know? I mean, they totally I mean, that was, like, stupid. I mean, you're breathing in your own air. It's really bad for you, and everybody just fell for it. I mean, besides the vaxx, the mask really freaked me out, you know, and there's distancing and stuff like that. 1: Yeah. That is most 1 of the most nonsensical things that they came out with because anyone who knows anything about the the virus would know that it is aerosolized. And therefore, e even an n 95 mask still yet these flimsy, surgical masks they had people wearing is not going to do anything to mitigate the spread of an aerosolized virus. It's infinitely smaller than the net of that mask. There's no way it could catch it, and same with social distancing. An aerosolized virus would spread very quickly indoors, but outdoors, in the sun, it would be vaporized almost instantly. So forcing people to stand 6, 12, 3 feet apart, the the messaging was all over the place, Never made any sense to begin with, Sam, those lines on the supermarket floors. It was all I think it was really a test. And and like you said, so many people are failing that test. 4: Right. That was that was that was 10: the main point, the test. And, a doctor will tell you, if you even touch the mask once, right, you need to throw it away because it's useless now because you've infected the whole and people in the store are, like, adjusting it the whole time. And then the people remember, we had to walk by people that were sitting down eating, and then we sit down and take off our mask. It was, like, ridiculous. 2: And here's the other thing. You know? Chelsea mentioned, you know, outside destroy the sunlight destroys it. But, yeah, they were telling us stay inside. Stay inside. So, you know, they're so not only you're not getting the benefits of the fresh air and sunlight being a disinfectant, you're also pushing people inside once you mass vaccinate them and then they shed. And then, you know, it's just it was absolutely everything was upside down. It was exactly the opposite of the way it should have been handled. 1: And the real point of it wasn't anything about stopping the spread of a virus. The real point of it was to enact drastic social change without debate or consensus. And and in that, I think it was too successful. You know? Too many people failed that test. Too many people are still not not even aware that this was done to them. The propaganda networks have taken a hit because so many people have. But but, apparently, there is still a large subset of the population who are unaware of these things, and those are probably, you know, sad to say, some of the most impacted victims. They just they don't even know it yet. And that's why this is so egregious and so pervasive because everybody's been touched by it, and so many people don't even don't even know it to be able to demand accountability. 10: Yeah. I was so mad because my mom was really old, and she doesn't even like us, she doesn't ever get on the Internet. Right? So all she heard was everything. So we'd argue about that, but I'm not gonna argue because they're just so old. So we just kinda like forget about it, don't talk about it no more. But she definitely believed every single thing. And I was mad because they they don't have any access to any other news. I I mean, that's ridiculous in America. Like, it used to be, I think, and you could talk about it if you know that you had to present 1 point, and then if you did that, you had to present the other point, but some president ended that act or something like that. 1: Smith Mundt. Obama, ended ended the Smith Mundt protections, which, prevented US media from prop like, the kind of propaganda our state generates to talk us up on the global stage, that enabled them to use that same kind of propaganda in in The US on their own citizens. And that that really did alter the dynamics significantly, didn't it? 2: Yeah. And isn't it interesting that it happened in tandem with the, ACA, with Obamacare? 4: Yep. Yeah. I didn't know. 1: Sorry. Go ahead, Shreemaka. 10: No. I disagree, and that's insane. 1: It really is. And I think a lot of what we've experienced recently was the same the same tendrils of that administration kind of puppeting, you know, through the auto pen and all of these other avenues, the the previous leader of the once free world. 2: I wish I had I'm I may have put it somewhere, but I just saw an x today the video of Obama sitting down in an interview and literally saying that, you know, he thought it would be a great thing if if, you know, he could if someone could have an earpiece, and they could just do all the lines and then the person could just, you know, speak those lines as, you know, as in a political sense, then it would be great. He he didn't see any problem with someone being the face and somebody else running the show, essentially. I'm paraphrasing. 1: Yeah. I saw that circulating recently too. He wouldn't have any problem with the puppeting any figurehead that that might Right. Just that Well, 2: I'm sitting here going, can you be any more obvious 1: about the say that? He said that because the media were still fawning of him over him to such a degree that they were like, why can't you have another term, mister president? 2: Exactly. Exactly. It it is just I think, also, they feel free to say those things because I can't remember who it was that said it. But the bigger the lie, the more obviously Fawcett is, the more people will believe it, and that's about the truth. So the more bombastic, the more out there things, pea people will go, oh, that just can't be true. They wouldn't actually say 10: Yeah. I got 1 of those right now that you probably will say what's not true, but the whole thing boils down to what a PhD from Stanford told I mean, I was listening to and and she said, she stayed up till, like, it was 3 years ago. 3 years ago, she said, I stayed up till 2 in the morning on this reading about this thing. And she was a really smart lady, and she said, somehow they're gonna have the cell phone, know every heartbeat that we have. She didn't know how they're gonna connect it. Right? That's what she was trying to figure out reading all night. And she still couldn't figure out how are they gonna do it? How are they gonna get the cell phone to know, like, every heartbeat? So your heart's not beating good enough, you can't buy ice cream. It's total control. Right? And so and then she's like, well, then here you go. The COVID comes out. What's in the COVID? Oh, you need this back. So what's in the back? A freaking thing that assembles into an antenna. Right? I mean, this is like twilight zone. I'm sorry to go so crazy, but that's what I was hearing there. 1: Yeah. I mean, there are a lot a lot I it just it it seemed so heavy handed for them to go to all this trouble and so much so much propaganda and so many resources, like free hamburgers, free marijuana, free beer, free stripteases. Please come get your vaccine. And, also, if you don't, you're murdering grandma, and you should probably be killed, and you shouldn't be admitted to a hospital. Like, this was the the level of propaganda, and it it just it doesn't make sense unless there's, you know, some other nefarious agenda behind it. So a lot of these so called conspiracy theories about was it, you know, was it micro technology that they they're getting in so your body's an antenna? Is it self assembling nanobots or all of this? But all of that aside, you know, without getting into the weeds of any of the the, you know, more outlandish conspiracy theories, like, the shots are we're we're surrounded by people in this space who have been severely and permanently injured and are suffering debilitating effects just from, you know, whether it's autoimmune or the turbo cancers or, the pots and the dystonia. All I'm probably not saying that right. But all of these different, all of these different symptoms people are experiencing because it attacks these spikes and all of the the liquid lipid nanoparticles and all of the other components of these experimental products are all harmful in various different ways. And then you factor in there's the different batches that they were changing up to to see what's gonna impact who, which is really what makes it seem even more experimental. They like, The USA Today came out, and they they got some some ethicists to come out and say, oh, this you know, Nuremberg doesn't apply because Nuremberg was about experimentation during wartime, and this isn't an experiment. We're not at war. Well, you know, they're really parsing nuance there because congress has really abdicated its duty to declare war, and presidents just go unilaterally. I mean, we're probably mired in more more wars than I could count on 1 hand around the globe that we don't even know about right now because they're just constantly indulging in illegal war without debater consensus or, approval of congress. And, and the fact that they're saying it's not experimental, well, okay, where where are all of the standards that have always applied to these products historically? And even those weren't adequate safeguards because we have people in here also who were injured by, vaccine products 20 years ago, 30 years ago. So those aren't even safe to begin with, and now they're gonna redefine it to include these experimental gene therapies and and all of this stuff, and and they're still gonna say it's not crimes against humanity. Nuremberg isn't necessary, and it doesn't even apply because the, you know, informed consent is really just a nicety. Doctors don't have to do any of this. And, also, also, you know, the medical code doesn't actually it's not binding. Like, all of these all of these excuses to let people off the hook for what what's really I'm sorry. It's murder. 2: Yeah. And that's where language is extremely powerful, isn't it? Because you can propagandize people into just, oh, okay. So you didn't commit a crime. I mean, isn't that the most mind boggling thing that you can think of that they can literally just change the language, just play some word games, and a portion of the population will go, oh, well, it's not murder then. Really? Okay. 10: Yeah. Then, they were talking about I don't know what you said know about viruses. Like, 1 doctor was saying a virus is actually good. And, I mean, it's in our body. Right? It's like, you should say it's a germ that's in your body, and the virus is the thing that's attacking you from inside your body, which is part of your immune system. So a virus actually doesn't exist airborne, like you're saying, and the mask is useless. A germ might exist, but it's just like, it's not gonna, go flying across the store and everything. 1: Yep. Julie, did you have your hand up? Go Go right ahead. 6: Yeah. You know, listening to truth, I tell you, remembering all the things that, were deployed with this program. So the 1 that also annoyed me what or really got me pounding on my public health department was contact tracing. So public health loves to contact trace people that, quote, unquote, test positive for infectious diseases. Right? So when and, you know, again, this is why okay. We could the tests were faulty. We know that. But if you tested positive, Butte County Public Health would get notified, and they would call you. And they'd say, where were you? Where did you go? Who did you meet? Who were you talking to? I mean, they were relentless in terms of and then they start calling those people. Well, you were and, I'm like, the this is such I will never take a test. But, in California, because we're so obsessed with our technology, There are apps that were developed to do automated contact tracing via cell phone. So at Butte, college here, they had the the kids, the students, load this app called California Notify, CA Notify. And if so they all had the this app on their phone. If they walked next to somebody within, I guess, 6 feet that had tested positive, that which so that phone knew that they were it would ping the everybody around them's phone and go, you're walking nearby somebody that's tested positive. I'm like, are we insane? We cannot forget this stuff. So, yeah, I mean, go do a Google search on contact tracing apps, and you will be horrified. We can't let that happen again either. But I did raise my hand earlier. So I wanted to give a shout out also to, congressman Thomas Massie. So he introduced a bill this week to repeal the PREP Act. So the PREP Act of 02/2005 is when, Bush put this into place saying, if there's a public health emergency, we can order the HHS secretary can start to order all sorts of things to happen without normal, you know, rules and regulations and processes, including administration, development, manufacturing of countermeasures to whatever this public health emergency is, whether it was the a 1 n 1 h 1, whatever, etcetera, so 02/2005. Well, so obviously with COVID, Azar, the first HHS secretary, said, okay. Public health emergency, PrEP tax invoked, and, we still have that going open. So Becerra, before he left office in December, extended the public health emergency for 5 years, allowing for all 1: of these 6: countermeasures, whether, again, it's the remdesivir, monkeypox, whatever, to be, you know, completely held, have immunity. Right? Similar to the childhood vaccines. So God bless Thomas Massey. I put it up above in the in the jumbotron, the bill he introduced to repeal that prep act. We can't have this blanket act out there where anybody can just willy nilly, you know, go, oh, we have this crazy, I don't know, megalovirus happening. It's an emergency and everybody now, you know no. We need to have these things done in a much more orderly process. So kudos to Massey. And then my my negative comment, this is just so unbelievable to me. So doctor Peter McCullough, and again, he does wonderful things, but he wrote an he's got an article out there today or yesterday kinda saying Novavax, which is an alternative COVID vaccine, is safer. Like, does it and I'm like I went me and Albert went batshit and that's crazy. We're like, 7 people are dead in VAERS by Novavax. Just because it's not maybe mRNA, it still has this you know, the whole premise of getting your body to make a deadly bioweapon spike protein in your body with a bunch of adjuvants, and it was made with moth, like, m o t h, moth cell line. I don't give a rat's ass. It's poison too. We cannot go, oh, this is a better option. No. It's not, sir. So I put the VAERS data out there as as Albert on an article going, are you insane? Don't even try to say this 1 is safe. No. Thank you. So, yeah, stay away from Novavax. Thank you. 1: Adam Adam had initially investigated that because even he thought it might be promising as an alternative. 4: But what he found 1: when he looked into it was it's just as just as bad as the rest. 4: I I mean, any technology based on, 1: I I mean, any technology based on the spike of a bioweapon probably isn't going to be helpful. 2: Well and just so people know, the spike is what causes the damage to the in inside lining of the blood vessels. And when you do that, you cause the microclotting. And when you have that and your d dimer, the which measures the microclotting, that's a lab test you can get. When that gets to astronomical levels, and it does, then you end up cutting off all the blood flow to your internal organs and to your major organs because the tiny vasculature that goes into them and perfuses them and gives them blood flow causes a little bit of problem to your body and your systems. So it doesn't you know, just because it doesn't have mRNA doesn't mean that the spike protein isn't gonna cause you major injury and potentially death. The only difference is the mRNA makes you make it more. It makes you make more of the spike protein, but you're still delivering something that causes harm and death into your body when you accept an injection with spike protein in it, period. 1: And you're effectively playing Russian roulette because 1 is never enough. You have to remain up to date by getting your platform serviced every 3 to 6 months as I understand it. 2: Exactly. And by the way, since Julie mentioned the extension of, not have yeah. Was Javier Becerra that extended the federal register declaration of a public health emergency to 2029, I did put that substack in the chat so that you guys can actually see. There's a link to it. You can read all about it. So we are still under a public health emergency, and they can drop the same restrictions back on us again anytime they choose just as soon as the anyone, you know, the head of the HHS decides to do that. 1: And what they immediately started doing post COVID was pivoting all of the same, quote, countermeasures to mitigate the spread of global warming or as they like to call it now, climate change, but it's the same same specter in another suit. And and you notice they're all very similar countermeasures. You know? You gotta, stay the 15 minute city was the the, like, the model where you don't you don't need to go anywhere. You can just stay home. You don't need to own anything. You can rent whatever you need within 15 minutes of your house. You can just walk. 2: Exactly. Oh, and by the way, since we mentioned climate change, do you guys remember when they said, oh, you know, oh, you know, this heat, that's part of the climate change, and that's why people are dropping dead. You know, sad it's not, you know, it's not the shot. It's it's, you know, the sads is is part of that is climate change. That's why people are dying. Well, you know what? When you think about this, and if anybody's medical, they'll realize this. If you get dehydrated, your blood gets thicker. And guess what? Yeah. You're very much more likely to have a clot, throw a clot, you know, have have a medical event with the heat. But if you're already clotting more because of being mega boosted with these shots that cause clotting, what do you think is gonna happen with the heat outside? But, you know, with them, it they're gonna label it as climate change. They're never going to label it as now people clot more easily, so they're not gonna tolerate the heat. 1: I'm so glad you brought that up, Miriam, and I have penned a a video montage set to music of just featuring all of the propaganda that has diverted attention from the the shots that they just mandated on the entire world or attempted to, diverted attention from the known side effects of myocarditis, pericarditis, all of these other symptoms that we've discussed tonight, to to global warming. So there's just screenshot after screenshot of headlines, saying every literally everything else is responsible, and you'll see, climate change is is among them. Among others is joy, breathing too many times a day, being sarcastic, taking showers, gardening. It yeah. All of these things cause heart attacks and and especially global warming and climate change, but it's definitely not the the products that were just mandated on everyone that are known to cause these exact symptoms. True Mag, I see your hand up. Go ahead. 10: Yeah. So that she's she was mentioning VAERS, and that like she said, there's already, I think, 7 from that 1 thing, but the like, you know that that's not even reported right, I guess. Like, most people don't even report it, so there's probably way more than that on that point. And then, the blood clot she was mentioning, that is insane. I was watching those, mortician or guys just pull out these gigantic things out of people. He was, like, disgusted. I was thinking it was Photoshop, and it's probably real. But the main thing I'll 1: Josh Hirschman, he's actually been on our spaces before, and I'm afraid it is very real. 2: It's very real. It is, that's like fibrin, which is part of the clotting cascade. Fibrin is that white fibrous. Hear the word fibrin? Yeah. That white fibrous clot is fibrin. It's part of your actual clotting cascade the way your body works. And if you have something constantly irritating the inside of your vascular lining from these shots, you're gonna start making that. And that can actually be measured on a test, by the way, true, Maga. You can get a fibrinogen test. But but good luck on arguing your doctor into it because it's very rarely done. But fibrinogen and the d dimer can tell you if you're elevated. 10: Yeah. Well, it isn't. I mean, if you know that and I know that, well, you know way more than me, but I don't know anything about it, and I'm talking about it. Right? So you're telling me that, like, Bauchi doesn't know all this crap? I mean, that was bullshit. 9: Oh, he is. 4: And his wife what about his wife? 10: His wife is like something. I'm sure the host knows 2: Oh, she writes 10: His wife his 1: wife these laws. So 10: Yeah. That's 1: a nice little combination. He he's totally ethical to be experimenting on orphan children. That's and and beagles, you know, that's totally fine. Just do whatever you want. Because she she writes the edits. Yep. 10: And then, 1 thing I wanted to ask the host is, what do you think the founding fathers would think about? This whole thing you guys have been talking about, and the other lady that spoke was awesome, and she was talking about all the emergency use stuff. Well, that's what the whole thing was about. I mean, they wouldn't get away with any of it without the emergency use authorization. And so would would our founding fathers agree let's say there was a major pandemic in 1780 or something. Would they agree to go, let's just bypass the constitution. Everybody freaking stay inside. Listen to us. Forget everything that we all died for. That doesn't matter anymore. 6: I tell you, Trumaga this is Julie. I'm a daughter of the American Revolution, like, literally card carrying. I traced, my mom did actually, all the way back to a patriot that fall. He is rolling over in his grave is why and why I get up and fight every day because I'm like, oh, no. My patriot is like, no. You're not gonna roll over. You're not gonna turn tail. You're gonna be out there and fighting with every freaking weapon that I can give you. And right now, that's my voice, and that's my ability to travel, and that's my ability to get on these platforms. But, oh, yeah. No. They are not happy with this horrible nonsense. 10: Yeah. That's what I was figuring. Is that but but everybody's just watching Netflix, football, baseball, and everything. 1: Right. I think our founders would get in a they would duel over over our most basic rights because they found these fundamental and unalienable, and they would literally shoot each other over these debates. So, really, the the whole climate that they've fostered where where we can't be tolerant of so called microaggressions, you know, we can't even people can't even have a robust debate anymore without someone getting upset that you're infighting. Like, we have to be able to have robust discussions and debate and disagree and and then come to a consensus that is the the entire nature of you know, that's part of the foundation of our country. And and because that was so stymied as part of the this the COVID attack. It was really a a multi pronged attack on our nation, our way of life, and and really the value of life itself. I I do not think they would have gone quietly in agreement with any of that. 10: Yeah. And and something, and like she said, it's still going on right now. I mean 1: Yep. Unfortunately, it has not stopped, and that is part of why we're still doing this every Saturday, for for too long, and we'll continue doing it until the right people start paying attention. And by the right people, I mean, literally everyone first and foremost, and and then those in power, those with the ability to to actually do something about it. And if they're gonna backtrack as soon as they as soon as they obtain power, if they're gonna if they're going to shirk their their sacred duty and their mandate that we have given them to hold these people to account, then maybe we'll have to throw our own hats in. Because within our lifetimes, we need to we we have to see accountability for these things or we cannot I mean, most most people in this room won't even go to a hospital. How are we going to leave a world to our children? Corey, welcome to the conversation. How are you tonight? 14: I'm doing okay. Earlier, a little bit ago, you mentioned about the, the fibrin. 2: That was me. That was Miriam. 14: Okay. Did you say there's a test for that that doctors don't like to order? 2: There there is a test. You can get a fibrinogen test. And if you forget it, it's it's generation of fiber, fibrinogen. So, fibrin, and fibrin is part of the the clotting process in the body. So it is f I b r I n o g e n, fibrinogen. 14: Okay. So, also kinda along those lines as far as tests go, has anyone well, the doctor Mary Talley Bowden has talked about the has mentioned the, that test from LabCorp 2: Yeah. 14: For 69 dot 2: Yeah. The the spike antibody testing. Yes. Mhmm. Yep. 14: Is that something is that something worth keep with worth doing? 2: You can you can actually do it. In a lot of places now, it doesn't require a doctor's order. I actually have it in my notes with the actual codes. And, if if you choose to do that, you can take it to your doctor if the lab needs a doctor's order. If not, there are some places you can actually go into the labs and just get it done. You would just need to check with your local labs and or with your doctor on that 1. And I can put those, there's something called CPT codes that come with it. I can put that in the names of the test in the chat if you would like. 14: Yes, please. Is that is that test like like, the 1 that doctor Bowden mentions from LabCorp or wherever you get it, is that a useful test to get or reliable? 2: Yeah. It's measuring your antibodies to spike, 1 of them, and the other 1 measures the, basically, the outside lining of the virus itself. And then there's a third 1 that, many doctors also test called a d dimer, which looks at your clotting. And, yes, they are reliable. And in in some of, doctor Bowden's post, you will see that she is noting that her vaxxed population has a much higher antibody to spike count than the ones who aren't vaxxed. I saw 1 of her post about that. So it seems to be very, reliable as far as it correlating with vaxxed versus unvaxxed in the amount of spike that she at least is seeing. And I believe she had tested, like, 3,000 people, I believe. But, anyway, I will put those in the chat. But, yes, with everything I've seen, it does seem to correlate with vaxxed status. As far as at least in Mary Talley Bowden's case, her population has a much higher level of spike antibodies if they've been vaxxed. 1: And while we are on the subject of testing, I also pinned to the nest, a a tweet from Kevin McCarron, who is, hosting an event right now on x. He is he is the 1 who is finally putting the RTQUIC test, to to great effect. He is in Japan, and he is running the tests, himself in his lab in Japan. We couldn't get it into, we couldn't get actually get past the regulations to get it into into action in The States. But in Japan, he is using this test, and he is soliciting samples. He wants just as many samples as he can obtain, and he has instructions on how to send him a sample, on the website linked in his bio. I I think that is something literally everyone should do. The the materials that, you know, you need to obtain, it's kind of a pain. We're thinking about putting together a kit to make it a little easier for people because you have to go obtain the materials to do this test yourself and then send him the sample. But he is testing for the amyloid, proteins that cause, the CJD that a lot of people have experienced with the, you know, the detrimental mental effects and dementia and, well, prion disease. So so if you can, if anyone is inclined, check out Kevin McCarron's work. Send him those those test kits and send him your samples, and he will I'm pretty sure he will get back to you with those results. Of course, they're 4: Of course. 1: Charging a small fee to to run the the sample, so it's a shame not everybody will be able to do this. But if you can, I think it's it's well worth it because I think we're going to find through his results, that a lot more people are are now affected by this disease that was once extremely rare, today as a result of the shots? So just wanted to 2: And anybody who, was listening to what Chelsea just said, if you, want more information about what when it might be appropriate for you to pursue that, I do have a substack that has that same information that she just shared, but it's also got some back background information on 9: Did everybody lose audio? 1: Thank you. I always I go to the chat before I ask because so many times, I'll I'll say, did you lose sound? And I'll actually be talking over someone because it's an x glitch. So I always ask the signal chat first, but it did drop out for me too. Sorry about that, Miriam. Could you pick up about 30 seconds ago where you left off? 2: Yeah. I I guess I'll just start again real quickly because I'm not sure how how long ago that was. I'm a bad time time figure. 9: You said it has everything except everything she already said except 2: Oh, yes. It gives you the background information on, how amyloid protein is formed, lets you know, therefore, what might be some associated things to look for and some circumstances under which it might be a good idea for you to do the testing as well as it has in there the actual same testing links that she mentioned. So as you're reading, you can kind of, decide, yeah. Yeah. I think I might wanna do it under these circumstances or not. So it might it might help you out just clarifying about help clarifying your thought process on the choices a choice to do it because it is a bit of a process like Chelsea was telling you. 5: So I will put that first test 4: in the 1: block that was the the previous or the sorry. The spinal tap that was the previous only way to test for this. So 2: Yes. It's it's a much improved process. It's just that you have to grab the materials and stuff like she was talking about. And, also, you know, it's good to know what you're testing for in some broken down terms a little bit so that you kind of go, oh, yes. I definitely want to do this, or, no. I don't. So, anyways, just a little bit more information surrounding people, maybe wanting to do that test just to kinda get that clarified a little bit. So I'm gonna grab that substat for you as well. 1: Thank you, Miriam. If you aren't already subscribed to Miriam's substack, I highly recommend it. When she posts that, I will pin it to the nest, and I encourage you to subscribe because she is just such a wealth of information. She has so many, posts, and she puts out you know, as soon as she comes comes across a relevant piece of information she thinks people should know about, she is putting it out there. So, really, she's more reliable in that than most, local news stations. Corey, I saw you just dropped your hand, but if you wanted to say something, now's your chance. 14: No. That was all. Sorry about that. 1: No worries. Go ahead, Troy. 2: I, will let you this real quickly. I'm getting ready to put that in there, Chelsea, and I'm trying to put, the fibrinogen verbiage on there too for the other gentleman who was asking the question. I cannot think of his name. Sorry. But look forward in the chat. 1: Thank you, Mary Anne. True Maga? 10: I was just gonna ask you, what you thought about it because it really pissed me off. I remember, Deborah Burke I think, yeah, Deborah Burke with the scarf lady. She was in front of Trump that that 1 meeting where Trump was standing behind her, and he's, like, swearing, like, to himself. Like, what the hell are you telling people? And I don't I just wanted to ask you, how did she get Trump to, she seemed like her and Fauci had more power than Trump, and that really pissed me off. And I never really understood how that happened. 1: She's such a piece of work. She came out recently. I sorry. I didn't catch a a lot of that. But she came out I 10: could I could say it. 1: Yeah. Go ahead. 10: I could say it real quick too. How did how did she, like, her in fact, she become more powerful than Trump? Because he's pretty awesome, man. He doesn't let people do that to him. You know, the art of war and all that stuff. Like 1: I mean, I'm starting to wonder. I'm I'm starting to wonder. You know, I'm I mean, I'm I've been encouraging everyone to be patient because they just got into power after a very contentious several years and a a really tough fight and several assassination attempts, and they need to get the ground under their feet. But so much I mean, thank goodness we were we were gonna talk tonight about doctor Moore. So thank goodness Pam Bondi had this brought to our attention apparently by MTG and took action to drop charges against doctor Kirkmore, who was being prosecuted for refusing to administer the the COVID injections and actually administering saline or something instead. So they they were gonna try to lock him up for 35 years, and they probably would have succeeded. But Pam Bondi finally intervened, and she said, oh, I I didn't know about this. Thank you, MTG, for bringing this to my attention. We've dropped all charges. So, like, if it's true that they just don't know that these things are happening, then my opinion is we need to work harder to bring these things to their attention. But then they're you know, the worst case scenario that is kind of, you know, nagging at the back of many people's mind right now, and you can see the the fallout on your timeline, is are they is it new boss same as the old boss? Are they just, like, with what they're doing with Palantir? I don't know if you know. Miriam could tell you all about it. She's got a substack about it, basically, unifying all of our government information in 1 central database and giving this, this really horrible company absolute power over all of it. Scary stuff. Like, it do they just not know, or are they guiding us down the same path? 2: And Yeah. Are they are they slow walking us on purpose? That's the question. 4: Yeah. Giving us an illusion. 1: Yep. And if it's that if if it's that, then we're we're just gonna fight all the all the more, and we will go around them if we have to because we do not live in, you know, the president does not have all the power. If he is not going to pursue accountability and remedies for these crimes against humanity, then there are probably and and I'm I'm quite sure there are people in his administration who are so minded and who who would do the thing if if they if they felt that impetus. So I think we need to, you know, just continue to drive that home until they they do the right thing. And I think it's self evident what the right thing is here. Kat? 6: Well, and Fauci bamboozled 7 presidents. I mean, he go back and look what he did with the AIDS crisis. Once I learned that, I'm like, who why is this guy still? This is unbelievable. He he killed people with that other drug during the AIDS crisis and did the exact same thing. I swear it's unbelievable. We can't 4: look at that again. 10: He was torturing those dogs. He had their heads locked in a cage. That really pissed me off. German Shepherd, beautiful dogs. He has them all laying down and their heads getting gassed or something to test something on them. 9: Beagles. 4: Yeah. 1: I mean, they're probably more than just the beagles. They were doing this. And and what's what's really upsetting is that people get more upset. I mean, yes. It is. It's an atrocity that he was doing this to intelligent animals and with really no no good justification. Although I'm sure his wife wrote him a lovely ethical justification to do so. But they're doing this kind of stuff to to people, and they they did a lot of it over the last several years. And those people are are suffering. They're they're told it's in their heads or, you know, even if they can get someone to acknowledge what's been done to them, there's nothing they can do. They many people are paying thousands of dollars a month out of pocket for supplements that work with varying degrees of success or don't. And people are so frustrated, and people are inclined to give up hope. And I I just I hope people don't because there is there is a light at the end of this tunnel. Because once aware once we raise enough awareness, they do the right experiments, the actual ethical experiments to to bring cures, treatments, you know, solutions to light for these people. But that's not gonna happen so long as most people still don't even you know, they think this is extremely rare, and it didn't happen to them, so it couldn't have happened to you. 10: Yeah. Even my own brother's, like, totally a 100% against me, but, everybody should, like, hit that bottom button or retweet this because this lady's talking some really good stuff, and everybody needs to hear it. You hit that little button on the bottom. It retrutes the whole site. I I guess everybody knows that. But, yeah, that's great. I wish you were recording this because this is really important. 1: We are recording this, and, I am I'm I'm trying to back them up. I've been having some issues, but I'm trying to back them all up also at chbmp.org so that because x seems to be selectively nuking our recordings. We, recordings from a month ago are not not available, but I can go back and get recordings that we did 2 years ago. So, very curious, and and, yes, they are recorded. You can go back and listen. I I too think this conversation is critically important. And the more the more ears we can get on it, all the better because, it really is critical until see, the worst I believe everybody's gonna know it eventually, But that's the worst case scenario is that we wait for everyone to realize that they're suffering horribly as a result of what's been done to them. We have to reach them first. And and the problem with that is they're they're terrified. They don't want to I mean, the signs are all around them. Right? They've probably got an inkling even if they're they're completely propagandized by now. But the mind will want to protect them from that horrible reality when they've had maybe 8 boosters and and they're scheduling their next. You know, it's so horrifying to contemplate. And and then when they when they get sick, they'll go get their COVID test, their PCR test, and be subjected to the the hospital protocols. And I think these things really have worked hand in hand to to foster a lot of unnecessary death and suffering. 4: Well, it's very horrifying. You know, when you have children too, you you wanna do the best you can for them. And so, yeah, we're all wondering, like, what are we injecting in them? It's very horrifying. 1: Yep. And compliance with the even the routine, the so called routine childhood vaccinations, which are way too many in my in my opinion, if if any, because, you know, but this is what everybody's thinking is maybe I shouldn't get my kids the the measles mumps rubella. Maybe I and, you know, I I you can't hardly fault them when the public health has has gone to such measures to suppress the truth while while mandating this stuff on the world. 4: Yes. I I I do believe that. I I went to school, got my bachelor's degree in nursing, and, yeah, gave lots of shots. So I'm questioning because I do believe that, you know, immuno some immunizations are important and eradicated a lot of diseases, but it's very frightening. How do we trust? What do you guys think? 1: That's a very good question. 10: There's somebody else with their hand up first. Go ahead. 1: Yeah. I think it was Laurie and then Kat, and then we'll come back around to you, True. 13: Hi, everybody. Most of you know my story, and, thanks for, posting this every Saturday. We're all, victims in some way or form or or another. So, Miriam, I wanted to give you an update on my situation. I recently went to, my neurologist towards the June. And, you know, I got that fibrinogen, you know, test, and it was 5 0 7. Now the the limits is it should be 500 or less. So it is a little elevated, and my d dimer is 0.67, which we all know should be 0.5 or less. And my ANA is normal. Thank god. Because, when I was exposed, from the, spike proteins, and I also believe that I was also exposed from, 2 to the lipid nanoparticles as well. It caused me to have my ANA high for a year and a half before it went back down to being normal because my body was attacking itself to get rid of the, foreign protein that, I inhaled, from the exposure. Now a Canadian doctor has DM'd me and, told me to get on that gout medicine. It starts with a c. I always have problems pronouncing some of this stuff. It starts with 2: the c h. Yeah. Colchicine. 13: Yeah. See? Some of this stuff is like another foreign language to me, unfortunately. But, so I was on that for about, 6 months, and it did lower, my high d dimer that I had before. That was 0.9. It did lower it. And, but my my family doctor doesn't want me on it no more because he says long term can cause kidney issues. So now that I'm off of it, like I said, now I'm having these, you know, the d dimer elevated and my FibroGen is at now elevated. Now do you think because, I don't go in cars, and I hate to say this. You know? I I don't wanna offend anyone. I will never get in a car with anyone that besides my husband ever again or buses. I just won't, after the hell I've been through. But I go shopping. You know? I live a normal life. You know? I don't live with beer. I just won't go in cars or buses, and I try to stay out of airplanes. And I don't have a golden star anyway, so it don't matter. But is there a possible, do you think that when I'm going out shopping and living my everyday normal life, do you think that maybe I got more exposure to the spike proteins and that's why, my d dimer went back up, or do you think it's because I went off, that particular mass medicine? So I'm still having the the headaches, and and even though I didn't take the shots myself, you know, we all saw that article where within 72 days, you know, they have that vision problem. Well, I still have the double blurry vision, and my period is still all messed up. So that's what's going on with me. So I just wanted to you know, you're smarter than I am, so I just want your input on what you think. 2: I I don't think anybody can really answer that question, as far as what didn't or didn't cause that to remain elevated. The good news is that it's still a lot lower than it was when you first had it tested. And here's what I would say. That cascade, that process in the body where you have the fibrinogen, then it goes further down to where you actually get the clotting process. And the just measures that clotting tendency, in a different way than than another test that I won't mention. But, anyway, the point is if the fibrinogen is part of that and it's it's further up in the process, you wanna address that that fibrinogen and the fibrin. And what I've seen recommended by physicians and I am not a physician, so this is not medical advice. But what I have seen recommended is that you take a that a person could take a fibrinolytic to help break down the fibrin, which is further up in the process. Okay? And some of those fibrinolytics are things like serrapeptase, nattokinase, and lumbrokinase. Lumbrokinase is the most powerful 1. So what I would suggest is that you look into those and that you discuss it with your doctor since he does not want you on the co on the gout medicine. Okay? That's what I would suggest, but you do need to discuss it with your doctor, and I can DM you that information. 1: Thank you so much, Miriam. I hope that is of some help. Kat. Kat. Kat. Kat. Kat. Ken. 9: Sorry. I was putting something in the nest. 1: Wasn't sure if I had it I had to say it 3 times. 9: Well, you have to you have to look in the mirror and say it 3 times. 4: Click your heels together What? 3: Pardon? 10: Click your heels together at the same time. 9: Yeah. You gotta have some red shoes on too. So yeah. No. It really bothers me that we're gonna let Pam Bondi get away with not knowing. She was the 1 who wanted Kirk more prosecuted. Die not died suddenly. Yeah. I think died suddenly, reported it. What's his name? Too baffled. The the account too baffled reported it. 2: Well, they all did. 9: All the big accounts were reporting that Pam Bonnie was the 1 who I screwed up my my submission into the purple pill of it when you called on me, and now it's just half a post. I accidentally clicked go. I had the report from 2 baffled. She didn't she didn't Marjorie Taylor Green did not bring it to her attention. She she totally knew, and she was the 1 who was pushing it. 1: So it's interesting, isn't it, that that, like, what prompted her then to to reverse that decision? What was it? 9: Well, I think it's the Epstein pressure. I think she was giving it as a token to get off the x Epstein narrative and get everyone saying, oh, look at the wonderful thing she did. And, you know, and it worked to to a great extent. Like, the Epstein list pressure thing is just not on anymore. People are still posting about it, but it it isn't, you know, just insane pressure. I think it was pressure to get her off the hook. Trump was pissed that the American people still wanted to talk about Epstein, that we were demanding transparency and justice in the Epstein thing, and that we were saying that we're never gonna get, justice if we can't get transparency in the Epstein thing. And they just waited till the last minute with Kirk, and and then they decided to, you know, throw us a bone. Give us that, and that would shut us up. And it worked. 4: What are you talking about? 1: Oh, it's such a Catherine, if you don't know, then don't even worry about it because it is 4: such a Yeah. Because I thought we were here because we lost people. 1: Yeah. This is it's it's a political thing where 4: the Trump I know that. 1: The Trump administration is basically 4: Okay. Yeah. No. I I know that. I know that. But, you know, I thought we were here because we were suffering because we lost people. 1: Yes. But, apparently, I I had I had said earlier that Pam Bondi is alleging that MTG hipped her to this, and Kat was just pointing out, 4: that Okay. Because I 1: I don't watch news. Right. But 4: So thanks for helping me. Yeah. 10: Yeah. But back to people being hurt, I was gonna talk about Demar Demar Hamlin dropping on the field. Do you remember that? He was a I think he is 1 of the Buffalo Bills. 1: Oh, I remember. 10: And he has, like, a heart attack or something. It was probably the blood clotting. And because they make those guys do the, vax, I think, to play football. So and then you see all these guys dropping on soccer fields, young kids. So there was some clot thing going on for sure. 4: Excellent point. 1: And there have been so many of those accounts like died suddenly and and others have been documenting 3: the 1: individual, you know, just the headlines. I we've been documenting at CHBMP. We document firsthand accounts from people. But Who who 4: who is behind all this? Do we know, like, who It's 9: Satan? 1: Well, ultimately, I mean, it's a big it's a big question, but but there there is an answer. We've we've narrowed it to about 10,000 bureaucrats, elected and unelected officials, and, you know, global players who, fancy themselves the the the architects of a new a new normal as they put forward to us. 4: Very important. Go on. Yeah. 1: And I am looking 4: for for the Elon. 1: What's that? 10: Is is he can you say e Elon? Elon? What do you think of him? 1: Well, I mean, that's it's a good question. He, of course, was a young global leader, and, many of the purveyors of of this this kind of antihuman theology were also anointed young so called young global leaders for the WEF. His father was big into ushering in a technocratic. 4: Yes. 1: Future, and, we can assume groomed Musk in his footsteps. So you know? But we also see Elon having these moments of I mean, for example, if he if he hadn't bought x kind of on a whim to protect free speech, and I'm not saying he's done that, but if he hadn't if he hadn't, we wouldn't be having this conversation right now. Because if you remember the climate just a couple years ago, we were being suspended losing our accounts permanently just for saying the I word, just for saying ivermectin or for saying the shots are harmful or for even I was suspended once just for retweeting the the nurse the the black nurse with Bell's palsy who said she wouldn't work wish this on her worst enemy. I retweeted that once, and all I said was, this this seems important, and I was immediately suspended for that. And that was the first time I was ever, blocked for a quote tweet. Like, all I said was what I said wasn't All I said was this might be important. You know? I'm not making any any statement of fact, but immediately suspended. And that's the kind of thing we were subject to before Musk purchased this platform. And and recently, we saw him speak out. He he when he left the Trump administration, he said, you know, Trump's not gonna release the Epstein files because he's in the Epstein files. And then just days later, he he walked that back and said, oh, you know, never mind all that. But the damage is done. Right? You can't you can't drop a bomb like that and then walk away from it. So it's an open question. Musk also has ties to Epstein. He wasn't just photographed with Ghislaine. I know they call her Ghislaine. I'm not gonna dignify her with that. Ghislaine Maxwell. But he also his brother was set up by Jeff Epstein with 1 of his girls. 4: Mhmm. 1: So, you know, it's a it's a small world, and all of these people who fancy themselves players are in this big club. You know? And and that's just how it is. But whether he is 10: carefully you said it. 2: Note, I'm going to put another sub stack in the chat because she talks about people who are players in this and who've been pulled into it. JPMorgan Chase, handled all of, Epstein's money and laundered it. They had something like $270,000,000 in fines related to that. There is a guy who calls himself the virus hunter who was part of the COVID virus pandemic, and he was also part of the Epstein group along with all of the many other large prominent people such as the Clintons and other people. So I'm going to put that sub stack in there because it kinda ties COVID right in with the Epstein scandal. Very interesting read. You guys need to have a look at it. 4: Yep. The same Uh-huh. This 1: it it's just it's so interesting because I I found this, early in 2020 too when I started looking into it. The the money, the influence, it's all the same circle. So Epstein was ushering, you know, taking shuttling these, scientists, MIT virologists and the like, shuttling them out to his island for for fun and excitement. There are actually pictures of Stephen Hawking on Epstein Island. You know, these absolute nerds just just being ported to Epstein Island. And why? Because Epstein Epstein was very interested in virology and bioweapons research, longevity, extending his own life. He he famously wanted to freeze his his head and his genitalia for use in another life, I guess. And, I don't think I don't think that managed to happen due to and that's why his suicide is so improbable because this is a man who wanted to live forever. 4: How gross. 1: I know. Yeah. 10: I was just I was just gonna say so, so, Elon, you answered the question that some guy was saying, well, Elon is worse than Trump because he went over like, Trump stopped relating with Epstein, remember, after he found out everything. Well, Elon did the opposite. So it must be about that brother's name because the guy kept saying 2 years after Epstein was indicted, he was going with his wife to Epstein's apartment in in, New York. So that probably has something to do with what you're talking about. 1: It's interesting. It's a very tangled web, and I, you know, I don't know everything. I see I see a lot of signs, and I'm I'm really hoping because my my sneaking suspicion even, you know, 9 years ago when when all of this started during the the 20 16 election and the run up to it, which is when I I think they really kicked off the propaganda campaigns in earnest and the using of our own tax dollars against us in earnest. Like, we were we were attacked constantly by bots paid for with our own, donations and tax dollars throughout that entire campaign. But and and, coincidentally or not, it was in 2015 that Hillary Clinton instructed the DNC through her aid, Robbie Mook, to take Trump seriously and tell all the media, tell all the press to take Trump seriously and consider him a a real presidential contender at a time when nobody did in, April or May 2015 and, and to use the the so called, fringe right candidates like Trump, Ben Carson, Marco Rubio, and others, to elevate them and use them as a cudgel to drive, to force the entire Republican party to extremes. And at the same time they were doing this, they were going on television media and and saying, the extremists are a danger to our democracy, and they're actually terrorists. And we have to you know, the FBI the FBI started investigating PTA meetings because, you know, because of this local domestic threat of these so called extremists. When they they literally created the extremists with the donations of their their own party and then branded them that and then use that as pretext to, you know, tell your family to to not not invite you to holiday gatherings. And it all coincided with the COVID stuff. And they dovetailed all of it, in 2020. But but because of that Pied Piper strategy memo, because, at the same at about the same time that Pied Piper strategy memo telling, the DNC to take Trump seriously and all this coincided with a 5 hour phone call between Bill Clinton and Donald Trump where they they both say they definitely didn't talk about politics during that 5 hour phone call in May 2015, a month before Trump announced that he was even running for president. It does make you wonder. Like, these people go way back. They've had relationships. You know, Trump and the the Clintons' kids played when they were kids. You know? They they're they're cozy. He attended their wedding. They're photos of all this. So it do we really believe that that they're at each other's throats and trying to ruin each other, or is it some brilliantly arranged stagecraft and we've all been drawn into a an elaborate soap opera? And in the case of the latter, have we all been led down the same path, which is the the techno dystopia that they've been trying to foster through the COVID policies, protocols, and mandates, through the, you know, the sham elections and the the really pulling the rug, of the social contract out from under the feet of everyone across the world. Are they are they all in on it? And that's what I've been hoping against hope that, you know, is not the case. But as we as we see them walking back, as we see RFK tacitly approving another mRNA cocktail, And and Trump saying, why do you guys even wanna talk about Epstein anyway? When there are multiple, multiple videos of him saying, we should really look into this Epstein stuff. There's something to it. And once we get to the bottom of that, we'll know all the rest. And I agree with that. So why is, why is he now walking it back? 2: Exactly. So, 1: are they complicit? Are they, are they incompetent? Are they do they need a good poke in the eye to, to, you know, make them, pay attention to these things and do what Pam Bondi just did in dropping this charge, but actually filing some charges against people who got preemptive pardons by auto pen that Neera Tanden probably, facilitated. You know? If they're if they're gonna get up there and talk about treason and not put anybody in prison or have tribunals, then how seriously can we take them? And I'm still trying I'm still hoping again to hope that they're gonna do the right thing here, but it's getting harder when they when they go out and do this really reprehensible PR like they did the last week. 2: Yeah. And I just wanna say since, Chelsea did bring up, the fact that Elon has a history of father, grand and, actually, grandfather, Joshua Coleman or Joshua Haldeman. He actually his grandfather was, a technocracy, movement member in the 19 thirties. And their their their platform was, you know, politicians shouldn't shouldn't run the countries. Basically, scientists and, technical people, people that are into technology should be running the country. And it's very interesting if you take a look at the post I just put in the chat. If you look at Wikipedia, it literally showed the Technocracy Movement had a map on the wall, and the map on the wall in the 19 thirties was literally Canada, Greenland, Mexico, The US, were all combined into 1 large, what they called a technate. Technate. The North American technate. And I find it very funny, very weird, such a weird coincidence that Trump started immediately talking about that, about, hey. Let's have Canada. Let's have Greenland. Let's have Mexico. And, literally, that was the grand his grand the Eli Elon's grandfather's platform. So take a look at that, in the chat. It's a very interesting thing. And like I said, Wikipedia even talks about it. So you gotta wonder, you know, is it theater? Is Elon whispering in trucks Trump's ear at the same time you have Stargate coming out? And 1 of the major players in Stargate is Sam Altman. Yeah. Palantir and Peter Thiel. Sam Altman and Peter Thiel. Again, it's the same players over and over again. So just take a look at those. Read read 2 or 3 of those substats, and you'll see the same players again and again. 1: And they're all vying for the same golden carrot. They're all you know, who who is it that's going to control all the data? Because that's where the real value is now, is your your personal data. They want every bit of it. And that's that's why, you know, even something as simple as not not using the digital coupon that they're offering you with that ridiculously low price on the chips that are now $7 a bag. You know, these kind of things, they they they want your biometric data. They want all the details of everything you do. And and by giving it to them, you enable them in a way to to exert this this control. Who's gonna do it? They they believe they have the power, and now it's just who gets to pull those levers and pull our strings. 2: Yeah. And what is more even more concerning to me is that, you know, Trump did tap Palantir to unify all of the agencies. So they're no longer siloed. They're no longer so, you know, all of your data, everything that they have across all the agencies is now 1 common pool and will be 1 common pool. And that is a extremely powerful weapon that can be used against you. And it and includes the HHS. So it's you know, this is not tangential to what we're talking about tonight. Health and human services. Health and human services was the agency that the order came down, federal register, public health emergency that got us in in this state for the last 5 years. And now you've got Palantir, literally unifying all that, including the HHS. That is not a good thing. 1: And that is part of why it was so alarming to see Trump put out this message that I just pinned in the nest contrasting it against the the Pied Piper memo I referenced earlier is he he basically, he disowned he disowned his entire base who who is waiting for him to deliver on Epstein. He referred to all of those people as his previous supporters, his past supporters, and my past supporters have bought into this bullshit hook, line, and sinker, he said, verbatim. So so he's willing to the fact that he's so casually willing to disown that entire large contingency of his base is very alarming in context of giving Palantir all of this power, because Palantir was putting together the the terrorist watch list that were telling them that it was right wing extremism that they needed to watch out for. But it was the very supporters of Trump that they were putting on these lists. 2: Yep. So I remember the HHS head, RFK Junior. And don't get me wrong. I had great hopes. Still whole have a bit of hope. He's encouraging wearables. Do you remember the who has the wearable company? Callie and Casey Means. So do you see how That's a You know, it all seems to be converging. And and I use the word seems, okay, because I'm not a prophet. I cannot see the future. But when you start looking at all these different things converging, you have to consider, you know, exactly what is happening here. 1: Yep. And and when Trump said recently, he had seen, you know, he had seen the results of the his admit or the investigation into the assassination attempt, and he was, quote, satisfied. He was satisfied. And I I was like, well, that makes 1 of us because it just it it's not adding up for me. And when people at the time were were saying, oh, you know, you're you're buying into this Trump. That was a hoax. He wasn't they didn't really try to assassinate Trump. You know, I I actually unfollowed or or even blocked a couple of those people because I found it so offensive. But when you see I I just pinned it to the nest. President Trump says he was briefed on the larger plot behind the Butler assassination attempt, and he is satisfied. Are any of you satisfied? Because I'm certainly not. 4: No. I'm not. And that 2: makes you wonder. You know? Why why would he be satisfied? It makes you wonder. 4: Can I 10: ask a question, Vincent? 4: Yep. 10: I just wanna ask a question about, like, well, as far as that thing, I'm totally not satisfied, but they were screwing him over so many times. Before that, I was satisfied that he won the election. And if he had a fake guy, I didn't give a shit at that point. But that's that. I just wanted to ask a weird, scenario, that maybe, like, if the host let's say the host, which I love right now, is the president. She's she's Trump, right, right now. And she knows that if she releases that list, the whole freaking world, all the leaders are gonna go down. Right? Including her. So would you do? What would you do? That's my question right there. I mean, if you knew for sure, everybody's gonna see these guys with little kids or something, and we're gonna have, like, a rebel I don't know. The whole world would, like, go erupt or something, maybe. So maybe he's, like, putting the world I don't know. I don't even know if I'm just, like, dreaming or something, but something's weird, like you say. 1: Well, I mean, we know that they have used they have used operations like Epstein's historically to gather blackmail intelligence on their subjects so that they can control and manipulate them. So, you know, I mean, it I don't know what else to say. 2: Yeah. I don't I don't Do we do we 4: think there's anybody do we think there's anybody decent in our government? I mean, maybe there's some people fighting. 2: Yeah. I mean, I mean, maybe. But I'll tell you this. I mean, I'll just I'll just read to you what I said in the substack I wrote about the Epstein thing. The Epstein thing 4: But, yeah, it was a simple question. Yes or no? 2: No. I mean, I don't know. There are a couple of people that possibly maybe maybe maybe Tom Massey. I don't know. I haven't seen him. He's been you know, Trump has been after him for opposing some of his things, and nobody's ever mentioned his name in in connection with Epstein. But in the days of AI, you know, you can make photos turn and move, and you can do all kinds of stuff. So I don't know that we can make an assessment of that because you can fake people talking. You can fake people in pictures. You can fake people in video. 4: I hear you. 2: So I'm not sure that we can answer that question, but what I will say is this. The Epstein Blackmail operation compromised and controlled the most powerful people on earth to rule the world via proxy, and it also controlled Nathan Wolf who was part of the engineering of the COVID virus. And that is a fact according to research. And JPMorgan Chase, Jamie Dimon actually laundered the money and had $270,000,000 in fines with that. The Rockefellers, Rothschilds, Clintons, Bill Gates, Gilane or Gislane Maxwell were all part of that. So, you know, I the fact is this has always been the way that they do business to control powerful people. They kit the dirt on them, and then they get them to do what they want. So nothing you know, people turning on a dime does not shock me. As a matter of fact, I'll be shocked if we find 1 person who doesn't turn on a dime. 1: But, Catherine, I am reliably informed that there are, in fact, people in power right now who are not in on this charade and who have a mind to accountability for all of these things. And the the sad fact is I can't I can't name them because if I did, I would be putting a target on their heads and, 4: I believe that. I believe that. 2: And these are not people that are high you know, that you're going necessarily going to super familiar with their name. Like, if you say Hillary Clinton, you know her name. If you say Epstein, everybody knows his name. There are people higher up in government that they aren't they may be known, but they're not that kind of known. And that's why they're not controlled because 4: I do believe we're not hopeless. 2: I I also believe I 4: hear you. 9: And that's what I'm saying. 4: I think there's many, many people fighting behind the scenes of what we cannot know that are yeah. 2: Yeah. And there are people that are a few layers down in our government that have enough power to do something, but they aren't household names associated with the Epstein thing. And those people, if you know their names, you don't want to out them because you hope that they can start to help in this situation. 4: Well, it's just my personal belief. I think God is behind all of us. 2: Of course. I believe that too. Yes. 1: Yep. We are fighting we are all very cognizant that we are fighting the face of true evil, but a lot of people lose sight of the fact that there are also angels standing with us in this fight. And there are, you know, just as there are demons, there are children of light who who are, you know, ushering in what what we hope despite all appearances will will, with any luck, be some pride. Beautiful visual. 10: Yeah. From under the clouds. 4: Love that Chelsea. 1: Yeah. If we could get out and it it is so many layers deep, guys. The constant sabotage, the controlled opposition. And what many people don't understand about controlled opposition is it's about controlling you. It's about controlling how you frame yourself in opposition to all of these things. So, you know, be be mindful and and do your research and and trust your your instincts and find sources of information that you can really trust and rely on. And and, you know, without those, it's it's hard to have any kind of of compass because like like Miriam was saying, you can't believe your eyes. Everything is everything can be fabricated. I was sharing images recently, which I had sourced, from 2023, and people were like, that's AI generated. And I'm like, did we have AI at this level in in 2023? And I deleted it anyway because I wasn't sure. And I, you know, I I hold myself to a high standard. I'm trying to put forward, true, legitimate, good information. And if I'm not sure, I will retract it. But it it's a shame that we can't believe our eyes or our ears anymore. True, go ahead. 10: Yeah. I was like, I was just gonna say, didn't it kinda feel like when you heard coronavirus for the first time, it was like worldwide. All of a sudden in a week, the whole freaking world is saying coronavirus. I never heard that word before. Right? And then I'm like, okay. This is bullshit. Russia didn't work. The Steele dossier didn't work. So they're I said this the second day I heard the word coronavirus. You could believe it or not. I said it to myself, and I heard it on the radio. I go, okay, they're still going after Trump. They're gonna I didn't know what they were gonna do. I just said, that has something to do with going after Trump. Well, this whole thing feels like the same thing. Like, Prince Andrews all of a sudden got all the charges dropped too, about the Epstein thing. Right? So it is worldwide. So something's going on worldwide there. And this is the main point. Ladies and gentlemen, parents, where are the parents? Does anybody have a kid in here? Because if somebody took my daughter, everything would stop my life. I would go find that island with a boat, which you can't do. I would go to the island. I would go, where the fuck is my daughter? Right? I haven't heard 1 parent come out anywhere. And there should be not just 1, there should be like thousands or something. I mean, it's like, where's the evidence? 1: They were very well paid. 2: Yeah. And if you don't believe that happens, look at the Tiffany Dover case. That's the nurse who went down on live TV. She basically disappeared. Was it Chelsea the better part of a couple of years? Nobody could see her anywhere, and all of a sudden, she reappears. She has a completely different appearance, and her family has a brand new big honking house that's being built. 1: And why did they trot her out? To talk about how difficult her life has been since those mean conspiracy theorists, sensationalized her alleged demise. 2: Mhmm. Yep. And so, you know, money will money and, NDAs, nondenclosure agreements, will shut people up faster than you can whistle Dixie. And it happens frequently in these scenarios. 10: Yeah. Probably. I was I was thinking it couldn't be that bad, but I mean 2: Well, I mean, you have people also literally, disowning their families over this, so I would say they'd probably welcome some money too. You know? Unfortunately, this is what the world is gonna come to. We you know, many, many people, once they get the propaganda weaponized in them, you know, and once relationships split, they will get what they can get out of the deal. And that's just the truth. It's very, very sad, which is why I'm so thankful for this family because this family can't be split by that. We will not be. We are here. We are together. We will stay in this fight, and no, you know, shenanigans with anything like that will ever divide us because we're in this fight until it's done. 10: Yeah. My grandmother used to say shenanigans when I was messing around. Yeah. That's right. I mean, we gotta stay in the fight for sure. 4: Well, you know, sometimes you just know, and I don't know why I know, but it's a god thing. And we just know. So I pray for the rest. And I I can't see God's plan, but I don't know why we know, but we know. It's just that simple. 10: Yeah. It's like it's a it's spiritual. It's a battle. It's spiritual battle, and it is Satan. It's but these girls, these girls were like I don't know if I'm right, but weren't they like classy, like, you know, like good looking girls? Like, so, like, the billionaires would like these girls, and maybe they were just, like, street walkers. They didn't really keep in touch with their parents. I mean 2: I don't really know any personal details about really any of them. I mean, even Virginia. I can't say her last name. Jeffrey Jeffrey. 7: Right. 2: I I don't know very much about her personal life, but, you know, even that, historically, when you look at trafficking like that or anything along those lines, they do pick people who are more vulnerable in order to use them in that way. So that would be surprising sad 1: what they do to them with the I mean, if you if you just look her up, you're gonna see, oh, well, you know, she she did this or said that, so you can't really believe her testimony about this. You know? No. And the same with Tara Reid, the same with Monica Lewinsky, the same I mean, how whoever comes out, especially a woman, you know, they they do this really shameful, character assassination. And and it it really does have a chilling effect so that nobody else wants to come forward and tell their story. And that's what they've done with us. And that's what they've done with many of you. They suspended our account so that you would be afraid to to say the I word. They suspended our account so that you well, I mean, for so many reasons. So you wouldn't know these things, and so you you couldn't speak out about those things, and so you would be deterred from from doing so. 2: Mhmm. Yeah. I mean, it's evil genius on their part, the way that they engineered this to create just deterrents in almost every direction so that, you know, there was there was very little support for anyone who wanted to get the truth out there. And in fact, there was a lot of actual just enmity on all sides created against people who were trying to tell the truth and help others. And I, you know, I think that's the first thing you could look for. Are you over the target? Are you telling the truth? If you're attacked from all sides, bingo. Ding. Ding. Ding. 1: Yep. And they will if you are persistent, they will attempt to destroy you in every possible way. And and people who you you thought you could trust will turn on you on a dime, and I'm sad to say I've experienced some of this stuff firsthand, and it's it's very painful. But it doesn't it doesn't deter me for a minute from our mission. It only makes me more determined to fight harder every day. 2: 100% truth. And I think everyone in this room has experienced something along those lines. And what we have to do is use that for fuel. Use that as, if you think that's going to stop me, you've got another thought coming. The more you try to deter me, the more I know that I'm on the right track, and I hope that each 1 of you feel that way, which means you're just gonna keep plugging away. And, you know, every time each 1 of us does that, another little chink in the armor happens, or we get the information to somebody else and they join us. And that's what we have to do. We have to persist, and we have to take those attacks as, oh, yeah. Badge of honor, and I'm on the right track. 1: Right. There are so many blessings in all of this, and I'm just I'm so struck by this today that, you know, even even through the worst of this, there are blessings in it. For example, we we never would have found each other. We wouldn't be having this conversation if if we hadn't gone through this. All the adversity that we are are faced with and we overcome, it does make us stronger, and it strengthens our resolve. And, you know, we I was gonna say because we've done a lot. We've actually just, you know, just by by doing what we're doing right now, by telling other people what's going on, sharing information about, treatments and cures and and things that can actually help, sharing information about why you shouldn't get that fourth booster. We we have saved so many lives, but almost as importantly, we have shifted the the narrative landscape to where I mean, they still have that division. They still have that those polls going. Right? So there's there there's this other side. But literally everyone over here knows about all of this stuff we're talking about. And it's just a matter of depoliticizing it because these are not political issues, but they've allowed to be they've been allowed to be made into political issues by the the endless propaganda campaigns. Your your medical history, whether you comply with, vaccine recommendations or or don't. That's your personal business, and it shouldn't it should never be used as a political wedge to separate you from your family and your loved ones. And part of part of my mission, strengthened even more so recently, is to to reach through to that other side because everyone literally everyone on the face of this planet who's been alive for the last 5 years has been impacted by these things. It is not a right or left issue. And and those people who are still watching television, who have no idea about the things we're talking about tonight are are every bit as impacted as those of us in this room. So I really I want to reach those people. I believe everyone's life has value, And it's it's not it's not about political affiliation or or your medical compliance. It we're all many of us are Americans. We're all human. We we have these commonalities, and and we have value for individual human life. And so I want to reach all of those people. I want to depoliticize medicine again. I think that is so important. Everyone should feel comfortable going to a hospital if you if you break a leg. And and that's right and left and all across the board. Deb, go ahead and then true. 3: Hey. I just wanted to add to this has been a really great conversation. But, the 1 thing too is if you look at every disaster they've that we've had, you know, while this is all going on, everything that we've been through in the last 5 years, but the disaster after disaster, the 1 thing that's humanity hasn't the crime is against humanity, but humanity itself hasn't lost who we are. We still come communities have come together in Texas, in North Carolina. If you you know what I mean? And and people from all over the world were giving to it. So they may you know, the whoever they are that are trying to do this against us still have not succeeded. I just wanted to add that. 2: I love it. You're right, Deb. Because 10: It's awesome. 2: That is awesome. And I'll tell you this. You know, it's not just Americans who have this right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. All of humanity has that inherent right, and that's why we all have to fight together to make sure that we retain that right to life, liberty, and, you know, happiness. I mean and how can you be happy if if your life isn't your own, if your health isn't good? You're not free in any way if you're not free to control what goes into your body. So foundationally, you don't have any freedom at all unless you can make your own choices relative to your own health. You don't have liberty, and you don't have happiness. And so this is very, very foundational to what's happened to us for the last 5 years. 10: Yeah. They they, use you know, how we have respect for each other's privacy, and they use that against us. Right? So, like, I would like to say to somebody in the store, like, why do you have a freaking mask on? It doesn't do nothing. Right? But she has a right to wear it. I don't wanna bug her privacy and ruin her day. Right? I still would like to say it, but we kinda respect each other. We don't wanna ruin each other's day. So they use that. Oh, wait. They're not gonna speak up. You know? It was a big test, like the host was saying, and we failed it big time. We gotta just, like, stand up and say, we ain't gonna ever let you tell us to do this again. So dream on. You know? 2: Right. Exactly. And did you notice the double standard too, for the true believers, you know, they would ask you at the drop of hat to put a a mask on. They would ask you where's your vaccine card or, you you know, you can't Exactly. That was You asked them why they choose that. And the propaganda was super powerful because, you know, that was that double standard there. Right? And and that's what we have to get past. We have to get past that. We have to realize that, you know, yeah, you can make your own choices. Absolutely. 3: And you know what, Miriam? Something don't even know why they're doing it. They're just 2: No. They don't. And so I'm not faulting. I'm not being mean to them. What I'm saying is we have to realize that, you know, part of part of liberty is being able to make your own choices and not attacking another person over that in any aspect, not just with COVID. But, boy, did they do a good job of demonizing 1 side against the other, and we just can't we can't let that happen ever again. 1: Absolutely. Yep. And at the same time, we have to be careful. We have to be not paranoid and not not suspicious or cynical about, you know, everyone and everything. But we do have to be thoughtful about who we who we decide to trust, especially when it comes to, you know, where you get your information and, and who you let into your inner circle because those things we're we're so we're so open, and we're so tolerant sometimes. We don't filter out, unsavory elements who will actually work against us in our mission, and and we have to be mindful of that too. They they come at this many ways, and I I don't know, you know, the the degree to people that people are either complicit or just know not what they do. But we we have to moving forward, I think we have to be careful of all of these things. 2: I think so too. And you can be cautious without being cruel. You can be cautious without being cruel. You can you can you can, you know, wait and watch people's actions long enough so that you start to learn where they actually stand without even paying much attention to their words. You you can you can figure them out. You you just have to give it time and you know the old phrase, look before you leap. You don't have to be cruel. You just don't have to jump into the water with them. You know? Just look. Pay attention quietly on the sidelines. You'll learn a lot more that way versus, you know, listening to people talk you know, talk a good game. Watch what they do. Watch their choices. Then you'll know. 1: And and watch for subtle emotional manipulation. They use this tactic in a lot of media and on an interpersonal level. And if somebody is, you know, trying to appeal to you on a on a purely emotional level, be sure that you don't just empathize. That you also turn on your, you know, your critical thinking and evaluate what you're what you're being told in context of what you know. You you really can't take anything or anyone for face value. So, these are 4: It's hard to turn down the 1: What was that true? 10: It's hard to turn down the Big Mac, though. 1: Right. The free Big Mac and and the all the other they this was the the carrot stick strategy where they they actually talked about, you know, maybe we should just give people money to shut them up to to take the things. And and they spent gosh. I don't even wanna consider how much of our how many of our tax dollars were funneled into this propaganda and, to to convince us to comply. Like, how many of us did we pay for those free hamburgers? Was that our tax dollars? Probably. 2: Yeah. And I I know you've seen this, Chelsea, and I, unfortunately, don't have it at 4: the tip of tip of 2: my fingers here, but they did do a study to figure out what tactic would work the most to produce compliance. 1: Oh, and what changes the unvaccinated minds? Fear. This was an actual headline on CNN. 2: And they actually did a study to figure out which which tactic worked best. So, you know, we're absolutely dedicated to making this happen. So, therefore, we have to be just as dedicated, to be basically be propaganda proof, to be emotional manipulation proof, to be, you know, come hell or high water. I'm not stopping. That's what we have to be because that's what they are. 1: Yep. And I really think we need to 4: employ think 1: employ their sorry, Catherine. Just real quick. We need to employ their tactics. We need I mean, they're they're dealing with bottomless pockets. They can throw money at anything. Whereas we we can barely raise a dime. But if we if we could raise significant donations to this mission, I would love to get advertising on I mean, if the if the sensors would let it slip through on television even if it's, you know, even if we could get on public access. Like, if your local station has public access and you wanna do this, talk to me. We'll put something together. Or or on, you know, AM radio. I don't care how small the audience is. I just wanna reach past this echo chamber and reach through break through that somehow. 2: Yeah. And, I mean, I think that's what it's gonna take is, you know, multiple, almost, grassroot level media sources to do that because people like the 1 gentleman was saying, his mom only watches television. So how how do you people who only watch that where the propaganda is, the way you reach them is, you know, pamphlets on the car or something stuck, you know, on the doorknob. I mean, low tech, something they can put in front of their face and actually start hearing a different narrative, because if all they do is watch television, they're not gonna get 1 iota of the truth. 1: Exactly. And I I go on a weekly rant about if if you can do anything for your loved ones who who still are unaware, get them to stop watching television. If you can get them to stop consuming TV media and and, you know, CNN online or whatever they're consuming. If you can get them to stop that for 1 month and then try to have the same con conversations that they won't they won't hear you out on today, I think you'll find you'll be a lot more successful because it's that constant drumbeat of propaganda that enables their their cognitive dissonance and for them to have those blinders on. 3: Yeah. I have to I had to laugh when I seen some clip this week about the dude on CBS. Who is the 1, Chelsea? He did the song with it. Was dancing with the shots. 2: Oh, that was Bill was that Bill Monterrey? 3: Yeah. They're taking his show off. 2: Oh, Stephen Colbert. 1: And they're not just firing. 3: And they're and they're not replacing it. Yeah. Yeah. But it's The late show 1: I mean, we know it's been go going on for decades. It wasn't that 4: Yes. 1: Tony Carson's bit? 3: Yes. Yes. Which he was hilarious, I thought. 1: Not only did he take over this show and use it as a propaganda tool, but he also drove it into the ground, and now it can't even exist. Thanks, Steve. And he's talking about he's gonna continue his show. He killed he he killed The Late Show, and now he's moving on to kill, The Colbert Report again. 3: Yeah. But still, you you think about even the amount of people they have still continued watching me even though they've dropped tremendously. Just by dropping the show, that that has to put start thought in your head of why are they just dropping that show? You know what I mean? 1: So its usefulness. 3: No. I agree. But I'm just saying but I'm talking about the people that we're not talking about. You know, the people that have been watching it. 1: Right. You 3: should get 1: the noggin jogging. 2: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You would think that would wake them up a little bit. You know, why why did that go away? 1: Catherine, thank you so much for your patience. I hope your mic is working okay. I can't hear you. You might need to take yourself off mute. 2: Oh, wow. 10: I was just gonna say 1 thing. 1: Yeah. We'll come back around to Catherine. What was that true? 10: They must hate space or the the 1 lady that was saying, I think it is Catherine, actually, that was saying, who who are they? You know, who's behind all this stuff? Well, they must hate this this what's going on right now? Like you say, this is what what is good about what Elon did. I mean, we're talking, and they must hate this. I mean, what the hell? We're all learning all this stuff. They're like, damn. I just wanna say I'm gonna be a listener now because my phone's gonna die. So great to meet all you guys. I'll be listening now. 1: Alright. And, on the subject of who is they, who are they, I did pin a tweet my husband made a while back that that is basically a TLDR, a rough summary and answer to that question. Actually, names, you know, names a few names and organizations and and really the root of of a lot of what we've been subjected to. So if you're still curious about who they are in that tweet, it's a a red avatar, Adam Gartner. 2: And and you know what, Chelsea? Won't it be a great day when nobody lose any longer asking who they are but saying, hey. We know who we are, and we will never fall for this again. That's what we wanna hear the world say. 1: Yeah. 3: But that's 1 thing too about the space since I've been in in the year and a half or a little longer, however long. But, anyway, look at the amount of people we've talked to around the world. You know? I mean, like, tonight, Italy. We've talked to the 1 lady that from Poland, I think she was. They had to learn English to talk to us. You know? So we have reached, and they've reached back. 2: Yeah. And, you know, we will may never know the ripple effect on that, but there is a ripple effect. And it's just comforting to know that we're having that ripple effect because, that's why we're here, and we're not gonna 1: stop. Absolutely. Absolutely. Stopping I mean, stopping isn't an option because, a, it's still going on. There's still harm harming people every day. I'm still seeing it every day. And every day that I see it, I'm I'm I'm mad, and I wanna do something about it. So, you know, the the only way to stop it is for them to stop what they're doing. 3: I wanna share something that's kind of was it's good for me in my life. I mean, but it was a good thing all the way around. But, you know, we've had a lot of tragedy in our lives, and this year, I had a Just saying. But my point is my grandkids, even though I didn't think they were paying attention as much as I wanted them to, they were. Because when she was born, that child is totally unvaxxed, and they understand why. She did not have they they didn't allow anything that they do to babies. And I was so so proud of them. So I have hope. 2: Sorry. This just 1: brought to my attention that someone has filled our our purple pill with crypto spam. So I found that person and blocked them. I see another person has filled it with a bunch of, I don't know, possibly interesting research, and we have parity account. Wow. We're really we must be 4: getting some 1: attention, guys. 2: We are we are over the target, people. There's another indicator. When you start seeing that, you are over the target. 1: It's a shame. It's a shame that as soon as you as you make any headway, you're going to be attacked in in various ways. And this is some of the really must most banal, you know, tactics that they use, which is filling your filling your space with nonsense or spam that will, drag it down in the algorithm so that fewer people see it. And that's why you block the box. 2: Yep. But the good news is, once again, what does that do for us? That encourages us all the more to continue because, obviously, we're under we're under some people's skin who have released the bots. Yay. 1: We have a few people listening who have requested, through the course of this space, and I've tried to bring them up. And for whatever reason, they were not brought up. If anybody, did want to share your experience with COVID policies, protocols, or mandates, we do want to hear your story. If if for any reason you were denied, request to come up, please do try again or DM this account so we can see what's going on there and try to bring you up. I do wanna be sure everyone has a chance to be heard before we wind it down. Catherine, are you still with us? Alright. Well, I did say 4: I'm here. I'm here. 1: There you are. Okay. I wanted to give you a chance because I I know I I didn't earlier. So go ahead. 4: I don't have anything to say, but, I like to say I'm I'm grateful you guys are here. 1: We are very grateful for you, Kath. 4: Thank you. 1: Yeah. With us every week for longer than I can remember at our our spaces and support groups. And, 4: Well, I know Chelsea's a for real person. You're a really compassionate, good person. And, so, yeah, I just, you know, I, you know, hurt every day for the loss of my husband. So I'm glad I have you guys. I'm just really grateful. 1: Thank you, Katherine. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry about what they did to Tom, and I'm so sorry that you had to find us in this way. But I am very glad that you did find us and that you're with us every week. 2: And we're glad that all of you are with us. And, please, someone said earlier, share share the recording, share the space, invite other people because there is power in sharing our knowledge and in being together. It lifts us up and strengthens us, and we get to just be that support to each other and give each other even tools that we may need to stay in this fight. 1: Yep. It's not easy. It's not easy. We're taking on, very, very malicious and powerful forces who can set the world against us anytime they they choose. And it hasn't been easy for many people in this room to endure, what happened in many cases to your loved ones forward to yourselves, and then go forward and talk about that all the time because it's it's traumatic and painful to go back into that regularly. And I'm so grateful that you're you're able to do that, and you really give voice to those who who aren't able to do that. And I really appreciate 4: Can I say something? 1: Always. 4: Can you hear me? 1: Yep. Go ahead. 2: Did we lose her again? 4: I'm here. Oh. Can you hear me? Yeah. 2: I couldn't hear you there for a second, Catherine. 4: Yes. So I'm just trying to say I was a registered nurse with a BSN, and they killed my husband. So it's a really hard 2: Oh. 1: 0, that is so unfortunate. Your your mic keeps dropping, Catherine. Go ahead. 4: That's interesting. 3: It's not really because I keep getting kicked out. So 4: Yes. Do you, Dev? 2: It's yeah. Dev Dev. Yeah. 3: I've had to come back and rejoin, like, I don't know. I lost email. 4: On, like, my third try. 2: Yeah. I I keep sending dev mics, and and and and you keep we keep having to pull you back. It's just a thing, I guess. Tonight, it's crazy. But we're still 3: The try though I ain't stopping. I'll just keep coming back. 2: That's exactly right. 4: That's Yeah. Me too. 2: That's the spirit that we want right here. It's like we're no matter what, we just keep coming back. 4: Yeah. Deb was an RN as I am, and, yeah, they killed our husbands. 3: Deb was an LPN, but thanks. I did the whole RN program. I just was an LPN, though. But I, yes, I worked hard and did everything. There was nothing in nursing I didn't do. And, unfortunately, I never thought I would give up my license, but I did. 2: Yeah. I 1: You're a conscientious objector. Right? 2: Yes. She is. And she's a powerful 1 at that. 1: Many such cases. I I've heard from so many medical professionals who had to abandon their profession after they felt their their profession had abandoned them. And that's another 4: that's Yeah. I told 3: can I interrupt you there, Chelsea? I totally I'm sorry. I'm just kinda can I indid it? Sorry. I felt totally betrayed. I mean, I was so I mean, I am so much better. I mean, I can't even talk about it, but if you all remember back in the day, I couldn't even get it out of my mouth. I was so betrayed by what I gave my heart and soul to. I'm not sorry I did what I did, but I am I am so sorry. And and it just makes me sick to my stomach to know what they did to my husband, my brother, and 20 other people 21 other people in 3 and a half years of in my life. So as a and I was a hospice nurse. So I'm, you you know, I sit on a lot of death beds in my time, but never have I ever seen the massacre. Like, it this was a massacre to me. 1: Totally. People talking about they've lost between the the protocols and the experimental mRNA. They've lost their entire families. 2: Yeah. And I and, unfortunately, Deb's word is exactly right. I mean, it is a massacre, a genocide crime against humanity. I mean, it's it's horrific, and, that's all the more reason why we have to be doing what we're doing. 3: And that's another reason why I will challenge any and I don't care who they are. I will challenge any nurse or doctor that is still working in a medical facility and not standing up for what is right. They are complicit. Period. 2: I mean, if you're if you're working and you're doing that protocol now, you are absolutely guilty. You're complicit because there's no way you can't know after 5 years. 3: And even if they're not doing the protocol, if they're in a hospital and it's being done and they're not speaking out against it because you know as well as I know that nothing goes on a hospital. I don't care how big it is. It's like Peyton Place. 9: There there's a definite rumor there. 2: Yeah. There's a definite rumor mill in hospitals, and it is a Peyton Place. So 4: yep. 2: It's it's horrific. There's no doubt about it. But this is the whole point of being loud and continuing to spread the word because there will reach a point where enough people know that there will be no continuing it. 3: And and it's not to say that I wouldn't have I don't know. You know, if somebody the ones that will finally come forward, I mean, yeah, I would think they would deserve some mercy, but they still deserve the punishment. This is where we we kind of fail to look at. Well, we always talk about them getting, you know, judgment after they die. Well, God said you were to live by man's law too. And so if they break the law, I don't care who you are. You deserve the punishment that goes with the law you broke if you're convicted by the jury of your peers. 1: This shouldn't be a a difficult thing for most Americans. This is, you know, how we were taught that it works. And the fact that the law is only applied in some circumstances or for some individuals is at the root of a lot of this. 2: Yeah. That's why my I literally never call it the justice system. I call it the legal system because, honestly, there's not a lot of justice in the legal system. It's a legal system. 3: And you know what, Mary? Unfortunately, it's you know, this is the sad part. It's been a really long time. It didn't just happen in 5 years. It's been going on for a long time in the justice system. 2: Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's been good. There hasn't been there hasn't been justice inside the legal system for a very, very long time. That's why I really it really gets under my skin every time I hear, you know, oh, the justice system look no. No. No. No. No. No. I mean, it bothers me. And I realized that lawyers try really hard. I realized that, you know but the system has evolved to the point that it is so convoluted, and it is, you know, you're able to use, you know, high powered lawyers and large hospital systems to just crush the people who who have been injured and killed. And it is just very, very sad. And I have a son who has a JD. So, you know and he he actually wanted to be a lawyer, and it it crushed him to see what has happened. And the lack of of justice inside the legal system, it literally crushed him. And it breaks my heart for him because he spent 3 years, and it just so happened that and I'm sorry my voice is getting this way, but he was supposed to sit for his, bar, on October 5, and his dad was take extubated and died October 6. So, after all of that work, all he has seen since then is the complete absence of any kind of justice. So, it has affected so many people, not just me, not just my son, but it has been a a seriously heartbreaking thing to watch people suffer in so many ways and not have any kind of recourse. And that's why I'm here because I can't bring my husband back, but I I darn well sure can tell the truth and never showed up. 3: And, Miriam, and then on top of him losing his dad and not being able to do what he dreamed of, he almost died himself. He almost lost both of your sons. 2: Yeah. 1 year later. My husband died 10/06/2020. 1 year later, both of my sons at that time let's see. Chris would have been, like, 32, and, Michael was 29. They both ended up catching, Delta. They refused to go to the hospital, until Chris's o 2 sats were actually 55%. I was listening to his lungs, and all 5 lobes of his lungs were, you know, there was not air happening. A horrible rhonchi in rails, which Dale know Deb knows what those are. And, Michael was also getting very sick. And, literally, the older 1 was listed as terminal. The younger 1 was subsequently listed as terminal because he got blood clots in both of his major pulmonary arteries going to his lungs, and his right 1 was completely clotted off and turned blue. So, you know, this is a horrible thing, what they've done to the world. You hear them do the talking points about it's people with diabetes. It's those obese people. It's old people. Well, that just isn't true because both of my sons nearly died a year later to the day. It it is a serious crime against humanity what they've done with the gain of function engineered SARS CoV 2. And it is a serious crime against humanity what they did with the protocols to kill people like my husband to scare everyone else into taking an injectable bioweapon. That's what I call the COVID shots, an injective bioweapon. And so, you know, when I hear people talk about, well, it's not real. The virus is not real. Or when I hear people talk about, again, it's only the old people. It's only the diabetics. It's only obese. It's not true. If you go and look at, you know, chbmp.org, you will see that that is not true. Those are talking points. And people suffered mightily under this, and that's why we're in this fight. And we're we're never gonna stop fighting. 1: Wow. Well said, Miriam. I I'm I'm so sorry. I am so sorry what they did to your family, and I am so glad to have you with us as a warrior in this fight because I know that you will not be deterred come hell or high water. And I just wanna we're talking about legal remedies and how these laws just need to be enforced. And I just wanna point everybody to, I pinned it in the the nest and the purple pill. Title 18 USC section 2 42. Deprivation of rights under color of law. And just read that over and tell me that isn't applicable to what we've experienced here. And how hard can it be to have the rule of law carried out in America? Like, if if we can't get the rule of law applied in America, how can we have hope for justice anywhere else? We've been the standard where where we fancy ourselves, at least, the highest standard in these regards. And and section 2 42 title 18 is just sitting right there waiting for us to do it. So who who has, you know, who has the gumption? Who has the tenacity to see it through is the question. And I I hope whoever that is comes across this space, and here's this call to action because we we need their help. We need we need these laws to be enforced, and we need accountability for what what was done to Miriam's family, to protocol widow's family, to Deborah, Moe's family, and to everyone else who has been impacted by COVID policies, protocols, and mandates, and for all the subsequent harms that have sprung from those. So that's my final word. Would my cohost like to have final word before we wind it down? Miriam, go ahead. 2: Yeah. Just thank you all for being here. I told more of my story, but I know you have stories too. And I know you've all suffered. So just join us in this fight. Tell everyone you know. Try to get them into the knowledge of what's happening so they can join us in the fight, and come back and be with us next week at 6PM. 1: Thank you so much, Mary Anne. Prudakovic? 0: I wanna thank everyone for for coming out tonight and staying with us all these hours. It's been very educational and pretty darn uplifting to have this much support and to know that there are people still in in America that that appear to be, critical thinkers. And so that's very heartening. And I just wanna thank you guys for all coming out, and I'm I'm hoping that you'll plan on, you know, hope if you've got the time and you're not, like, you know, out dancing on the water on some water skis or something, come back and see us next Saturday, 06:00. Same bat channel, same bat time. 1: Thank you so much, protocol widow. If you have not documented your story with us at chbmp.org, Please do so if you're listening to this and you can't see the letters and it's hard for you to know what letters I just said. You can also access the site through betrayalproject.org. Note that we are not associated with another org called betrayal project USA and, and do not wish to be. But we are here every Saturday night, without fail, rain or shine, to hear your stories and to raise awareness about COVID related crimes against humanity. And we will continue to be so until there is finally. And I I believe there will be within our lifetimes if we keep working at it. I'm I'm gonna be trying. You know? And and we can't do that without without your your stories and your support. And, we are so grateful for you being here with us tonight and every Saturday night for documenting your stories, for volunteering with us. You can email me at Chelsea@CHBMP.org if you would like to help for your donations that enable us to keep the this site online and develop the systems that we're we're using to try to raise awareness and, and maybe even get some advertising going on more mainstream stream platforms. And, you know, that's just a twinkle in my eye now, but I would sure love to do that. And, I I appreciate you. I look forward to hearing from you again next week, and, I hope you have a great rest of your night. Good night, everyone.